From BBC,
Nine men charged with conspiracy to bomb high-profile London targets in the run-up to Christmas have been remanded in custody after appearing in court.
Mohammed Moksudur Rahman Chowdhury, 20, of Stanliff House, Tower Hamlets, and Shah Mohammed Lutfar Rahman, 28, of St Bernard's Road, Newham, have been remanded in custody until 14 January.
Gurukanth Desai, 28, of Albert Street; Omar Sharif Latif, 26, of Neville Street, and Abdul Malik Miah, 24, of Ninian Park Road, all from Cardiff, have to appear at the Old Bailey on the same date.
Nazam Hussain, 25, of Grove Street; Usman Khan, 19, of Persia Walk; Mohibur Rahman, 26, of North Road, and Abul Bosher Mohammed Shahjahan, 26, of Burmarsh Walk, all from Stoke-on-Trent, were also remanded in custody.
From AP,
Among the potential targets of Christmas attack were the London Eye, the Houses of Parliament, the Stock Exchange and London's Mayor, Boris Johnson, it was claimed.
The court was told that targets for bombings had been agreed by the suspects before the police raids. The suspects had also conducted live tests on explosives.
A dozen men were arrested last week in London, Cardiff and Stoke-on-Trent in central England. … Three were released without charge.
The decision to charge them was announced early yesterday, with police saying that the conspiracy started on October 1 and continued until December 20, the day of the arrests.
The men are also accused of preparing for acts of terrorism, downloading and researching materials and methods for acts of terrorism, and carrying out reconnaissance missions and testing incendiary material.
From Daily Mail,
Big Ben was allegedly visited, while the Palace of Westminster was among other key landmarks said to have received their attention. The Church of Scientology headquarters in London was also ‘observed’, it was claimed.
They moved on to look at the Church of Scientology building on Queen Victoria Street near Blackfriars, before visiting a branch of McDonald’s.
After the arrests on December 20, searches at one of the addresses uncovered a handwritten note containing the contact details of six individuals, Mr Arnold said.
It had the full addresses of the Dean of St Paul’s and the Chapter House, two rabbis and their synagogues, the U.S. Embassy, London Stock Exchange and the work address of Boris Johnson [mayor of London].
Source: AP, BBC, Daily Mail (U.K.)
Comments: Interesting that the terror accused had a look at Scientology building.
Some previous similar or related stories:
12 British men (5 ethnic Bengladeshis) aged 17 to 28 arrested in Britain for allegedly plotting terror attacks there possibly against the parliament and shopping areas [Previous report on this case]
Muslim 'Christmas is evil' dawa poster in London, and website says it's pagan, sex, abortion, blasphemy, 'claiming God has a son', drugs, alcohol and violence and that Islam is better [Islamic extremists hate Christmas]
WikiLeaked UK cable: Distorted Muslim view of life-world, blame game, double speak, 'moral equivalence' and, left-wing and media incite-excuse terrorism [British Muslims don't do anything about terror problem in their communities]
Report by 4 US senators says Blair and Brown governments, Scotland and BP prostituted justice for Libyan (trade) money in releasing Lockerbie bomber Megrahi on false medical diagnosis [UK is soft on terror]
At least 38 dead, 74 injured in Nigeria Christmas terror attacks on Christians in Jos by Muslim settlers, Baptist pastor and 2 young men practicing choir killed, church burnt by Boko Haram, 1500 dead this year from clashes [Christmas terror attacks elsewhere]
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Tuesday, December 28, 2010
Friday, December 24, 2010
Merry Christmas Everyone (of goodwill). While enjoying Christmas, remember that it's about Jesus, and that anti-Christian PC crowd and Muslim extremists want to destroy Christmas
Envious Muslim extremists want to 'destroy Christmas'.
Secularists (anti-Christian atheists and envious minorities) want to destroy Christmas too.
From the BBC (1)
The following is Pope Benedict XVI's Christmas message on BBC's Radio 4 (BBC (2)) [A video of the pope reading out the message can be viewed at this link.]
[NOTE: By publishing the message, this site is in no way endorsing or promoting Catholicism. The message is deemed suitable as it is a general Christian message.]
Recalling with great fondness my four-day visit to the United Kingdom last September, I am glad to have the opportunity to greet you once again, and indeed to greet listeners everywhere as we prepare to celebrate the birth of Christ.
Our thoughts turn back to a moment in history when God's chosen people, the children of Israel, were living in intense expectation.
They were waiting for the Messiah that God had promised to send, and they pictured him as a great leader who would rescue them from foreign domination and restore their freedom.
God is always faithful to his promises, but he often surprises us in the way he fulfils them.
The child that was born in Bethlehem did indeed bring liberation, but not only for the people of that time and place - he was to be the Saviour of all people throughout the world and throughout history.
And it was not a political liberation that he brought, achieved through military means: rather, Christ destroyed death for ever and restored life by means of his shameful death on the Cross.
And while he was born in poverty and obscurity, far from the centres of earthly power, he was none other than the Son of God.
Out of love for us he took upon himself our human condition, our fragility, our vulnerability, and he opened up for us the path that leads to the fullness of life, to a share in the life of God himself.
As we ponder this great mystery in our hearts this Christmas, let us give thanks to God for his goodness to us, and let us joyfully proclaim to those around us the good news that God offers us freedom from whatever weighs us down; he gives us hope, he brings us life.
Dear friends from Scotland, England, Wales and indeed every part of the English-speaking world, I want you to know that I keep all of you very much in my prayers during this Holy season.
I pray for your families, for your children, for those who are sick, and for those who are going through any form of hardship at this time.
I pray especially for the elderly and for those who are approaching the end of their days.
I ask Christ, the light of the nations, to dispel whatever darkness there may be in your lives and to grant to every one of you the grace of a peaceful and joyful Christmas.
May God bless all of you.
Source: BBC (1,2) [Video of the pope reading his Christmas message can be viewed here.]
Comments: Both Muslim extremists and secularists (atheists and also envious anti-Christian minorities) want to destroy, not only Christmas but the whole of Western Christian civilization.
Enjoy Christmas but while doing so, remember that Christmas is about Jesus - it celebrates the birth of Jesus, who came to save the world and you - and also remember that there are those who hate it and wish to destroy it all.
People have been trying to destroy Christmas right from the beginning, starting with Herod, who tried to kill baby Jesus.
Matthews Chapter 2:12,16
They can rage all they want and come up with all sorts of lame arguments but they too will fail, just like Herod.
Merry Christmas to you all (people of goodwill).
Some previous similar or related stories:
Muslim 'Christmas is evil' dawa poster in London, and website says it's pagan, sex, abortion, blasphemy, 'claiming God has a son', drugs, alcohol and violence and that Islam is better [Muslims following in the footsteps of Herod]
“Don't reward bad behaviour.” “A club is the only medicine for a mad dog” North Korea – Strategies that should also be adopted against Islamists [An atheist communist totalitarian country where Christmas (and Christianity) is probably banned]
Ex-Muslim Atheist Palestinian, Walid Husayin, facing life sentence for “insulting” Islam as some call for his death for apostasy [Atheists versus Muslims here, although they would join together to try to destroy Christmas.]
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Secularists (anti-Christian atheists and envious minorities) want to destroy Christmas too.
From the BBC (1)
Pope Benedict's Christmas message for the BBC's [Radio 4] Thought For The Day [program] has invoked the ire of secularists[The secularists just hate people hearing the Christian pope say anything and so are using the sex abuse scandal to criticize the pope.]
Now the National Secular Society has accused the BBC of handing the pope "an unquestioned slot to continue whitewashing his Church's disgraceful record on covering up child abuse" and failing to interrogate him as they would any other world leader.
The following is Pope Benedict XVI's Christmas message on BBC's Radio 4 (BBC (2)) [A video of the pope reading out the message can be viewed at this link.]
[NOTE: By publishing the message, this site is in no way endorsing or promoting Catholicism. The message is deemed suitable as it is a general Christian message.]
Recalling with great fondness my four-day visit to the United Kingdom last September, I am glad to have the opportunity to greet you once again, and indeed to greet listeners everywhere as we prepare to celebrate the birth of Christ.
Our thoughts turn back to a moment in history when God's chosen people, the children of Israel, were living in intense expectation.
They were waiting for the Messiah that God had promised to send, and they pictured him as a great leader who would rescue them from foreign domination and restore their freedom.
God is always faithful to his promises, but he often surprises us in the way he fulfils them.
The child that was born in Bethlehem did indeed bring liberation, but not only for the people of that time and place - he was to be the Saviour of all people throughout the world and throughout history.
And it was not a political liberation that he brought, achieved through military means: rather, Christ destroyed death for ever and restored life by means of his shameful death on the Cross.
And while he was born in poverty and obscurity, far from the centres of earthly power, he was none other than the Son of God.
Out of love for us he took upon himself our human condition, our fragility, our vulnerability, and he opened up for us the path that leads to the fullness of life, to a share in the life of God himself.
As we ponder this great mystery in our hearts this Christmas, let us give thanks to God for his goodness to us, and let us joyfully proclaim to those around us the good news that God offers us freedom from whatever weighs us down; he gives us hope, he brings us life.
Dear friends from Scotland, England, Wales and indeed every part of the English-speaking world, I want you to know that I keep all of you very much in my prayers during this Holy season.
I pray for your families, for your children, for those who are sick, and for those who are going through any form of hardship at this time.
I pray especially for the elderly and for those who are approaching the end of their days.
I ask Christ, the light of the nations, to dispel whatever darkness there may be in your lives and to grant to every one of you the grace of a peaceful and joyful Christmas.
May God bless all of you.
Source: BBC (1,2) [Video of the pope reading his Christmas message can be viewed here.]
Comments: Both Muslim extremists and secularists (atheists and also envious anti-Christian minorities) want to destroy, not only Christmas but the whole of Western Christian civilization.
Enjoy Christmas but while doing so, remember that Christmas is about Jesus - it celebrates the birth of Jesus, who came to save the world and you - and also remember that there are those who hate it and wish to destroy it all.
People have been trying to destroy Christmas right from the beginning, starting with Herod, who tried to kill baby Jesus.
Matthews Chapter 2:12,16
Matthew 2:12. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.Secularists (atheists and envious minorities) and jealous Muslims are just like Herod and want to destroy Christmas too.
Matthew 2:16. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
They can rage all they want and come up with all sorts of lame arguments but they too will fail, just like Herod.
Merry Christmas to you all (people of goodwill).
Some previous similar or related stories:
Muslim 'Christmas is evil' dawa poster in London, and website says it's pagan, sex, abortion, blasphemy, 'claiming God has a son', drugs, alcohol and violence and that Islam is better [Muslims following in the footsteps of Herod]
“Don't reward bad behaviour.” “A club is the only medicine for a mad dog” North Korea – Strategies that should also be adopted against Islamists [An atheist communist totalitarian country where Christmas (and Christianity) is probably banned]
Ex-Muslim Atheist Palestinian, Walid Husayin, facing life sentence for “insulting” Islam as some call for his death for apostasy [Atheists versus Muslims here, although they would join together to try to destroy Christmas.]
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Thursday, December 23, 2010
Muslim 'Christmas is evil' dawa poster in London, and website says it's pagan, sex, abortion, blasphemy, 'claiming God has a son', drugs, alcohol and violence and that Islam is better
They hope the campaign will help 'destroy Christmas' in this country and lead to Britons converting to Islam instead.
The campaign's organiser is 27-year-old Abu Rumaysah, who once called for Sharia Law in Britain at a press conference held by hate preacher leader Anjem Choudary, the leader of militant group Islam4UK [a banned Islamic hate group].
Mr Rumaysah told the Mail that he was unconcerned about offending Christians.
He said: 'Christmas is a lie and as Muslims it is our duty to attack it.
'But our main attack is on the fruits of Christmas, things like alcohol abuse and promiscuity that increase during Christmas and all the other evils these lead to such as abortion, domestic violence and crime.
'We hope that out campaign will make people realise that Islam is the only way to avoid this and convert.'
Sister Christine Frost, founder of the East London Neighbours in Poplar charity, said:
'If we said such things about Muslims, we'd all be hanging from lamp-posts.
[The poster has a picture of a silhouette of Christmas tree in the background, with the following words.]
Source: Daily Mail (U.K.)
Comments: Typical Islamic non-sense. Everything the poster speaks against, except for 'claiming God has a son' is condemned by Christianity. It is the liberals and left-wingers that promote such sexual immoralities, not Christians.
These Muslims have a simplistic human view of God and think that when Christians say Jesus is son God, they think that it is somehow similar to humans having a son. They think God is like human beings, which isn't the case.
If someone else made a similar poster saying Muhammad is the anti-Christ and that terrorism, beheadings, suicide bombings, cutting hands and foots, stoning women, sexism, poverty, primitive barbarism, genocide, rape, macabre death cults, hate, bigotry, retarded emotional intelligence, megalomania, paranoia, delusions, lunatic rage, mental retardation and low intelligence, just to name a few, were the fruits of Islam, these same people who made this poster would be extremely offended (even though such a poster would have a lot of justification based on numerous actual cases).
This poster also is making the usual claim that Islamic sexual repression is superior to the debauchery caused by liberals and left-wingers.
Unlike other monotheistic religions, Islams is the only religion that offers its followers sex (some women allegedly have big breasts), food and drink, served by young beautiful boys as reward in heaven.
They treat women as sex objects and as trophies to be won in Islamic heaven. This is sexism, lust and perversion.
Muhammad, the founder of Islam himself had over 10 wives, including a former daughter-in-law of him who became his wife.
Muslim men are allowed up to four wives and are allowed to beat their wives and children. In Iranian Shiite Islam, men can also have unlimited number of 'temporary wives'. This is the perversion, lust and sexism.
UK sharia judges and many other Muslims also says that there is no such thing as spousal rape and that a man can have sex with his wife even if she refuses, meaning he can rape his wife. This is the protection Islam provides to women. This is the sexual equality in Islam. This is the rape and violence that Muslims should worry about instead of criticizing others.
Interesting that the poster mentions debt. A recent WikiLeaked US embassy cable from the UK says Muslims are the most unemployed and disabled and unqualified group in the UK so they should worry about debt themselves first. It wouldn't be surprising if these Muslims made those posters and website with government welfare money.
And as mentioned before, Islam is a very pagan religion despite Muslims frequently criticizing others of paganism. Allah, the god of Islam was a pre-Islamic pagan god and the Kaaba in Mecca, the holiest Islamic idolatrous shrine and the place they face to in prayer was also a pre-Islamic pagan shrine. Sex in heaven is also a pagan feature found also in other religions such as Greek paganism, where even gods have sex.
All these pagan elements were combined with other Jewish and Christian elements and some of Muhammad's own ideas to create the religion of Islam. Islam is a cargo-cult or a religion created by people from less developed societies (pre-Islamic Arabia) based on the religion of more advance civilizations (Christianity and Judaism). They mix up bits and pieces from here and there and then create their religion.
Ahmadiyya Islam for example is a further continuation of Islam with a prophet claiming to be the latest and last messenger. Sikhism is also similar, combining elements of Hinduism and Islam, just as Islam was made with elements of Christianity, Judaism and paganism. In Christianity also there is Joseph Smith, who claims to be a prophet of Mormonism. So Islam is just one of the many cargo-cult like religions, although it has the most followers and is also the most violent, as can be seen in the daily reports of terror and other violence and hate, such as this 'Christmas is evil' campaign.
Expect politically correct double standards authorities to do nothing about this hate poster by the Muslims, or if they do then to do something token and inconsequential just to make it look like they are doing something about it.
Some previous similar or related stories:
WikiLeaked UK cable: Distorted Muslim view of life-world, blame game, double speak, 'moral equivalence' and, left-wing and media incite-excuse terrorism [They must have low IQ to have such distorted views]
Shahla Jahed, former 'temporary' wife of footballer Nasser Mohammad Khani, hanged in Iran for allegedly stabbing to death the 'permanent' wife [Unlimited temporary wives allowed by Iranian Shiite Islam]
WikiLeaked US embassy UK cable: Muslims most unemployed and disabled, some supports killing for Islam, and apostates (6 percent) [Muslims have some of the worse statistics]
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit [Muslims raping English girls]
Genocide in Darfur continuing with “silent” rape and fear says UN prosecutor Ocampo – 300,000 dead and 2.7 million displaced in seven years [Muslim-on-Muslim on rape and genocide]
Genocide accused Sundanese president Bashir says Islamic sharia punishment of cruelly whipping women like dogs in public is fine, vows stricter sharia if the South secedes [Cruel Islamic punishment, not protection]
UAE supreme court rules Sharia allows wife and child beating if no marks left [Beating is what wives and children get in Islam]
Iran's “barbaric” plan to execute Ashtiani, who was sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, condemned internationally [Sexist barbaric Islamic punishment]
Asia Bibi (aka Aasia Bibi and Aasia Noreen) case summary - Christians unclean, pressured to conver to Islam, defending Christianity as blasphemy [It is a death penalty offense to 'blaspheme' Islam while these Muslims go about wantonly insulting other religions]
Musa Sayed, 45, and Ahmad Shah, 50, awaiting trial and facing death penalty in Afghanistan for conversion to Christianity from Islam [It is death penalty for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity while these Muslims freely try to convert others to Islam in Britain]
Christian convert from Islam, Nurta Mohamed Farah, 17, killed in Somalia. Her parents treated conversion as mental illness & tortured her [It is torture and death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity while these Muslims freely try to convert others to Islam in Britain]
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The campaign's organiser is 27-year-old Abu Rumaysah, who once called for Sharia Law in Britain at a press conference held by hate preacher leader Anjem Choudary, the leader of militant group Islam4UK [a banned Islamic hate group].
Mr Rumaysah told the Mail that he was unconcerned about offending Christians.
He said: 'Christmas is a lie and as Muslims it is our duty to attack it.
'But our main attack is on the fruits of Christmas, things like alcohol abuse and promiscuity that increase during Christmas and all the other evils these lead to such as abortion, domestic violence and crime.
'We hope that out campaign will make people realise that Islam is the only way to avoid this and convert.'
Sister Christine Frost, founder of the East London Neighbours in Poplar charity, said:
'If we said such things about Muslims, we'd all be hanging from lamp-posts.
[The poster has a picture of a silhouette of Christmas tree in the background, with the following words.]
The evils of Christmas
On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me an STD!!!
On the 2nd day debt, on the 3rd rape, the 4th
teenage pregnancies, and then there
was abortion, raves, claiming God has a son,
blasphemy, exploitation, promiscuity, night
clubs, crime, paedophilia, paganism, domestic
violence, homelessness, violence, vandalism,
alcohol, drugs …
In Islam we are protected from all of these evils
We have marriage, family, honour, dignity,
security, rights for man, woman and child.
Tel: 07591 987509 or www.xmasisevil.com
© Archant
Source: Daily Mail (U.K.)
Comments: Typical Islamic non-sense. Everything the poster speaks against, except for 'claiming God has a son' is condemned by Christianity. It is the liberals and left-wingers that promote such sexual immoralities, not Christians.
These Muslims have a simplistic human view of God and think that when Christians say Jesus is son God, they think that it is somehow similar to humans having a son. They think God is like human beings, which isn't the case.
If someone else made a similar poster saying Muhammad is the anti-Christ and that terrorism, beheadings, suicide bombings, cutting hands and foots, stoning women, sexism, poverty, primitive barbarism, genocide, rape, macabre death cults, hate, bigotry, retarded emotional intelligence, megalomania, paranoia, delusions, lunatic rage, mental retardation and low intelligence, just to name a few, were the fruits of Islam, these same people who made this poster would be extremely offended (even though such a poster would have a lot of justification based on numerous actual cases).
This poster also is making the usual claim that Islamic sexual repression is superior to the debauchery caused by liberals and left-wingers.
Unlike other monotheistic religions, Islams is the only religion that offers its followers sex (some women allegedly have big breasts), food and drink, served by young beautiful boys as reward in heaven.
They treat women as sex objects and as trophies to be won in Islamic heaven. This is sexism, lust and perversion.
Muhammad, the founder of Islam himself had over 10 wives, including a former daughter-in-law of him who became his wife.
Muslim men are allowed up to four wives and are allowed to beat their wives and children. In Iranian Shiite Islam, men can also have unlimited number of 'temporary wives'. This is the perversion, lust and sexism.
UK sharia judges and many other Muslims also says that there is no such thing as spousal rape and that a man can have sex with his wife even if she refuses, meaning he can rape his wife. This is the protection Islam provides to women. This is the sexual equality in Islam. This is the rape and violence that Muslims should worry about instead of criticizing others.
Interesting that the poster mentions debt. A recent WikiLeaked US embassy cable from the UK says Muslims are the most unemployed and disabled and unqualified group in the UK so they should worry about debt themselves first. It wouldn't be surprising if these Muslims made those posters and website with government welfare money.
And as mentioned before, Islam is a very pagan religion despite Muslims frequently criticizing others of paganism. Allah, the god of Islam was a pre-Islamic pagan god and the Kaaba in Mecca, the holiest Islamic idolatrous shrine and the place they face to in prayer was also a pre-Islamic pagan shrine. Sex in heaven is also a pagan feature found also in other religions such as Greek paganism, where even gods have sex.
All these pagan elements were combined with other Jewish and Christian elements and some of Muhammad's own ideas to create the religion of Islam. Islam is a cargo-cult or a religion created by people from less developed societies (pre-Islamic Arabia) based on the religion of more advance civilizations (Christianity and Judaism). They mix up bits and pieces from here and there and then create their religion.
Ahmadiyya Islam for example is a further continuation of Islam with a prophet claiming to be the latest and last messenger. Sikhism is also similar, combining elements of Hinduism and Islam, just as Islam was made with elements of Christianity, Judaism and paganism. In Christianity also there is Joseph Smith, who claims to be a prophet of Mormonism. So Islam is just one of the many cargo-cult like religions, although it has the most followers and is also the most violent, as can be seen in the daily reports of terror and other violence and hate, such as this 'Christmas is evil' campaign.
Expect politically correct double standards authorities to do nothing about this hate poster by the Muslims, or if they do then to do something token and inconsequential just to make it look like they are doing something about it.
Some previous similar or related stories:
WikiLeaked UK cable: Distorted Muslim view of life-world, blame game, double speak, 'moral equivalence' and, left-wing and media incite-excuse terrorism [They must have low IQ to have such distorted views]
Shahla Jahed, former 'temporary' wife of footballer Nasser Mohammad Khani, hanged in Iran for allegedly stabbing to death the 'permanent' wife [Unlimited temporary wives allowed by Iranian Shiite Islam]
WikiLeaked US embassy UK cable: Muslims most unemployed and disabled, some supports killing for Islam, and apostates (6 percent) [Muslims have some of the worse statistics]
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit [Muslims raping English girls]
Genocide in Darfur continuing with “silent” rape and fear says UN prosecutor Ocampo – 300,000 dead and 2.7 million displaced in seven years [Muslim-on-Muslim on rape and genocide]
Genocide accused Sundanese president Bashir says Islamic sharia punishment of cruelly whipping women like dogs in public is fine, vows stricter sharia if the South secedes [Cruel Islamic punishment, not protection]
UAE supreme court rules Sharia allows wife and child beating if no marks left [Beating is what wives and children get in Islam]
Iran's “barbaric” plan to execute Ashtiani, who was sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, condemned internationally [Sexist barbaric Islamic punishment]
Asia Bibi (aka Aasia Bibi and Aasia Noreen) case summary - Christians unclean, pressured to conver to Islam, defending Christianity as blasphemy [It is a death penalty offense to 'blaspheme' Islam while these Muslims go about wantonly insulting other religions]
Musa Sayed, 45, and Ahmad Shah, 50, awaiting trial and facing death penalty in Afghanistan for conversion to Christianity from Islam [It is death penalty for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity while these Muslims freely try to convert others to Islam in Britain]
Christian convert from Islam, Nurta Mohamed Farah, 17, killed in Somalia. Her parents treated conversion as mental illness & tortured her [It is torture and death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity while these Muslims freely try to convert others to Islam in Britain]
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Wednesday, December 22, 2010
Report by 4 US senators says Blair and Brown governments, Scotland and BP prostituted justice for Libyan (trade) money in releasing Lockerbie bomber Megrahi on false medical diagnosis
From BBC
The senators' report states that Scottish authorities examining the former Libyan intelligence officer relied on "false" and "flawed" medical prognosis that may have been influenced by a doctor hired by the Libyan government.
Mr Menendez [Senator Bob Menendez], along with three other senators, launched the investigation after officials from Scotland, the UK and BP failed to testify at a Senate foreign relations committee hearing, he was scheduled to chair in July.
"This was a case in which commercial and economic considerations trumped the message of our global fight against terrorism," said Mr Menendez.
From AFP,
Libyan national Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi is the only person ever convicted over the 1988 attack in which 270 people, most of them Americans, perished when Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over the Scottish town of Lockerbie.
Scottish authorities, who have power over their own judicial affairs, released Megrahi, 58, on compassionate grounds in August 2009 after doctors said he was suffering from terminal cancer and had three months to live.
Megrahi is still alive more than 16 months
Titled "Justice Undone: The Release of the Lockerbie Bomber," the report found
political pressure and "commercial warfare" [900-million-dollar BP oil deal that Libya had threatened to cut off and a 165-million-dollar arms deal signed the same month al-Megrahi was freed] by the government of Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi played a major role in the decision [by governments of British Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown]
[Scottish authorities have dismissed the report by the senators saying it was an unofficial investigation.]
UPDATE: This addition is from Daily Mail (U.K.)
The report says the British government played a ‘direct, critical role’ in Megrahi’s release and could have prevented it but ‘chose not to’.
It suggests the two Scottish doctors who said the bomber had months to live had been influenced by three doctors who were hired by the Libyan Government.
The Senate report quotes cancer experts who said the three month prognosis was 'inaccurate and unsupported by medical science'.
It says the decision to release al Megrahi was made primarily by two Scottish prison doctors who had no background in prostate cancer.
Britain's ambassador to Libya, Sir Vincent Fean, 'directly participated' in an October 2008 meeting with Scottish government and senior Libyan officials to discuss a 'way out' for Megrahi, the report states.
He [Foreign Secretary William Hague, had] said British interests, 'including those of U.K. nationals, British businesses and possibly security cooperation would be damaged - perhaps badly - if Megrahi were to die in a Scottish prison.'
The report also highlights the role of the Government of Qatar who lobbied for the bomber's release.
It states at the time the Scottish Government were seeking to expand commercial ties with Qatar
Source: AFP, BBC, Daily Mail (U.K.)
Comments: Looks like a case of 'Justice for sale' but this isn't really about money, except for BP. This is appeasement to Muslims by the politically correct elites.
There is also the corrupting influence of Money, especially Muslim oil-money, that will destroy nations and civilizations, without any terrorism.
Everyone should watch out. Next time it might be your justice that gets prostituted for Muslim money, threats and terror balckmails.
This case shows why the simple left-wing, right-wing distinction don't work. Greedy right-wing capitalists would sell theirs and your soul for money, while the poor left-wing would betray out of envy and hate, or false dreams of a better world.
Finally, this is a classic case of 'victim-card', where the terrorist who killed hundreds, portrayed himself as pitiful and deserving of compassion and mercy. Bleeding heart liberals and left-wingers, especially, fall victim to this sort of con (trick). They have all the mercy and compassion for the terrorists but non for the victims.
Watch out next time a terrorist comes around begging for mercy and compassion, and starts talking about forgiveness.
This is nothing but blackmail and the British once again appeasing and giving in to Muslims.
Some previous similar or related stories:
US backed 'ex-terrorist' KLA allegedly killed and harvested organs of Serb civilians but nothing done - justice sacrificed for short-term stability [Another case of alleged prostitution of justice to Muslims]
Libyan president who tried converting Italian girls to Islam said to have sex orgies that were copied by Italian Prime Minister [Information about the Islamic Libyan dictator]
WikiLeaks summary - Saudis donors fund terrorists, Saudi king wants Iranian snake's head cut off, Iranian Red Crescent is a front group for Iran [Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi is accompanied everywhere by a ‘voluptuous blonde’ Ukrainian nurse.]
WkikLeaks: US and Karzai say UK 'not up to the task' in Afghanistan and ‘made a mess of things’ according to ‘dismayed’ U.S. General Dan McNeil [Pathetic British effort against Islamic terror.]
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit [Muslims turning British girls into prostitutes, literally but the authorities won't adimit]
Muslims profit from terrorism: WikiLeaked cable from UK says Muslims are “key audience” and “top priority” for charm offensive because of terrorism [Muslims get priority because of terrorism, and not because they deserve it.]
UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks [Typical British appeasement]
Qatar "hesitant to act against known terrorists" fearing reprisals and appearing to be too close to the US - WikiLeak US embassy cable [Information about Qatar]
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The senators' report states that Scottish authorities examining the former Libyan intelligence officer relied on "false" and "flawed" medical prognosis that may have been influenced by a doctor hired by the Libyan government.
Mr Menendez [Senator Bob Menendez], along with three other senators, launched the investigation after officials from Scotland, the UK and BP failed to testify at a Senate foreign relations committee hearing, he was scheduled to chair in July.
"This was a case in which commercial and economic considerations trumped the message of our global fight against terrorism," said Mr Menendez.
From AFP,
Libyan national Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi is the only person ever convicted over the 1988 attack in which 270 people, most of them Americans, perished when Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over the Scottish town of Lockerbie.
Scottish authorities, who have power over their own judicial affairs, released Megrahi, 58, on compassionate grounds in August 2009 after doctors said he was suffering from terminal cancer and had three months to live.
Megrahi is still alive more than 16 months
Titled "Justice Undone: The Release of the Lockerbie Bomber," the report found
political pressure and "commercial warfare" [900-million-dollar BP oil deal that Libya had threatened to cut off and a 165-million-dollar arms deal signed the same month al-Megrahi was freed] by the government of Libyan dictator Moamer Kadhafi played a major role in the decision [by governments of British Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown]
[Scottish authorities have dismissed the report by the senators saying it was an unofficial investigation.]
UPDATE: This addition is from Daily Mail (U.K.)
The report says the British government played a ‘direct, critical role’ in Megrahi’s release and could have prevented it but ‘chose not to’.
It suggests the two Scottish doctors who said the bomber had months to live had been influenced by three doctors who were hired by the Libyan Government.
The Senate report quotes cancer experts who said the three month prognosis was 'inaccurate and unsupported by medical science'.
It says the decision to release al Megrahi was made primarily by two Scottish prison doctors who had no background in prostate cancer.
Britain's ambassador to Libya, Sir Vincent Fean, 'directly participated' in an October 2008 meeting with Scottish government and senior Libyan officials to discuss a 'way out' for Megrahi, the report states.
He [Foreign Secretary William Hague, had] said British interests, 'including those of U.K. nationals, British businesses and possibly security cooperation would be damaged - perhaps badly - if Megrahi were to die in a Scottish prison.'
The report also highlights the role of the Government of Qatar who lobbied for the bomber's release.
It states at the time the Scottish Government were seeking to expand commercial ties with Qatar
Source: AFP, BBC, Daily Mail (U.K.)
Comments: Looks like a case of 'Justice for sale' but this isn't really about money, except for BP. This is appeasement to Muslims by the politically correct elites.
There is also the corrupting influence of Money, especially Muslim oil-money, that will destroy nations and civilizations, without any terrorism.
Everyone should watch out. Next time it might be your justice that gets prostituted for Muslim money, threats and terror balckmails.
This case shows why the simple left-wing, right-wing distinction don't work. Greedy right-wing capitalists would sell theirs and your soul for money, while the poor left-wing would betray out of envy and hate, or false dreams of a better world.
Finally, this is a classic case of 'victim-card', where the terrorist who killed hundreds, portrayed himself as pitiful and deserving of compassion and mercy. Bleeding heart liberals and left-wingers, especially, fall victim to this sort of con (trick). They have all the mercy and compassion for the terrorists but non for the victims.
Watch out next time a terrorist comes around begging for mercy and compassion, and starts talking about forgiveness.
This is nothing but blackmail and the British once again appeasing and giving in to Muslims.
Some previous similar or related stories:
US backed 'ex-terrorist' KLA allegedly killed and harvested organs of Serb civilians but nothing done - justice sacrificed for short-term stability [Another case of alleged prostitution of justice to Muslims]
Libyan president who tried converting Italian girls to Islam said to have sex orgies that were copied by Italian Prime Minister [Information about the Islamic Libyan dictator]
WikiLeaks summary - Saudis donors fund terrorists, Saudi king wants Iranian snake's head cut off, Iranian Red Crescent is a front group for Iran [Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi is accompanied everywhere by a ‘voluptuous blonde’ Ukrainian nurse.]
WkikLeaks: US and Karzai say UK 'not up to the task' in Afghanistan and ‘made a mess of things’ according to ‘dismayed’ U.S. General Dan McNeil [Pathetic British effort against Islamic terror.]
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit [Muslims turning British girls into prostitutes, literally but the authorities won't adimit]
Muslims profit from terrorism: WikiLeaked cable from UK says Muslims are “key audience” and “top priority” for charm offensive because of terrorism [Muslims get priority because of terrorism, and not because they deserve it.]
UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks [Typical British appeasement]
Qatar "hesitant to act against known terrorists" fearing reprisals and appearing to be too close to the US - WikiLeak US embassy cable [Information about Qatar]
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12 British men (5 ethnic Bengladeshis) aged 17 to 28 arrested in Britain for allegedly plotting terror attacks there possibly against the parliament and shopping areas
12 British men (5 ethnic Bengladeshis) aged 17 to 28 arrested in Britain for allegedly plotting terror attacks there possibly against the parliament and shopping areas
From AP,
A large-scale terror attack was aimed at British landmarks and public spaces, security officials said Tuesday as more details emerged and police searched the homes of 12 British suspects being held for questioning.
The men — whose ages range from 17 to 28 — were arrested Monday in the largest counterterrorism raid in nearly two years. At least five were of Bangladeshi origin.
The men were arrested in the cities of London, Cardiff, Stoke-on-Trent and Birmingham.
Possible targets that were scouted include the Houses of Parliament in London and shopping areas around the U.K.
Source: AP
Comments: UK is a terror exporter, for example to Pakistan (some British terrorists allegedly killed there recently) and also to Sweden, with the recent suicide bombing there. And long before these, the French called London, Londonistan, due to there being so many terrorists there and authorities doing nothing about it.
UK is in denial. Unless it ditches political correctness, things like these will keep happening.
It wouldn't be a surprise, if all these people get released without any charges being laid due to bad laws. It's typical, especially in the UK.
Some previous similar or related stories:
WikiLeaked UK cable: Distorted Muslim view of life-world, blame game, double speak, 'moral equivalence' and, left-wing and media incite-excuse terrorism [The previous Labour government said Muslim community itself need to do more to root out terrorists in its midst instead of making up excuses and demands]
Missile strike in Pakistan 'allegedly' killed White British Muslim convert terrorists, Stephen (Abu Bakr) and Dearsmith (Mansoor Ahmed)
UK to lessen some anti-terror laws, reviewing others
A religious female Muslim Trojan Horse assasin Roshonara Choudhry convicted in UK of murder attempt on MP [A Bangladeshi female terrorist in UK]
Somali born US citizen Mohamed Osman Mohamud arrested for detonating fake bomb thinking it's real during Oregon Christmas tree lighting ceremony [A Christmas terror plot in the US]
Sufia Begum, 45, dies after being illegally caned 40 times under Islamic sharia law in Bangladesh for allegedly having an affair (doctors said her kidney got damaged) [Islam in Bengladesh]
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From AP,
A large-scale terror attack was aimed at British landmarks and public spaces, security officials said Tuesday as more details emerged and police searched the homes of 12 British suspects being held for questioning.
The men — whose ages range from 17 to 28 — were arrested Monday in the largest counterterrorism raid in nearly two years. At least five were of Bangladeshi origin.
The men were arrested in the cities of London, Cardiff, Stoke-on-Trent and Birmingham.
Possible targets that were scouted include the Houses of Parliament in London and shopping areas around the U.K.
Source: AP
Comments: UK is a terror exporter, for example to Pakistan (some British terrorists allegedly killed there recently) and also to Sweden, with the recent suicide bombing there. And long before these, the French called London, Londonistan, due to there being so many terrorists there and authorities doing nothing about it.
UK is in denial. Unless it ditches political correctness, things like these will keep happening.
It wouldn't be a surprise, if all these people get released without any charges being laid due to bad laws. It's typical, especially in the UK.
Some previous similar or related stories:
WikiLeaked UK cable: Distorted Muslim view of life-world, blame game, double speak, 'moral equivalence' and, left-wing and media incite-excuse terrorism [The previous Labour government said Muslim community itself need to do more to root out terrorists in its midst instead of making up excuses and demands]
Missile strike in Pakistan 'allegedly' killed White British Muslim convert terrorists, Stephen (Abu Bakr) and Dearsmith (Mansoor Ahmed)
UK to lessen some anti-terror laws, reviewing others
A religious female Muslim Trojan Horse assasin Roshonara Choudhry convicted in UK of murder attempt on MP [A Bangladeshi female terrorist in UK]
Somali born US citizen Mohamed Osman Mohamud arrested for detonating fake bomb thinking it's real during Oregon Christmas tree lighting ceremony [A Christmas terror plot in the US]
Sufia Begum, 45, dies after being illegally caned 40 times under Islamic sharia law in Bangladesh for allegedly having an affair (doctors said her kidney got damaged) [Islam in Bengladesh]
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
Shayma Bharuchi, 35, believed to be from Somali, killed daughter Nusayba, 4, cut out heart and organs, while listening to Koran recital [Mental checks being done]
From Daily Mail
killed as an apparent religious offering
allegedly chanting verses of the Koran as her daughter's disembowelled corpse lay next to her
believed to be from Somalia
understood to have two teenage children of 14 and 16
has since been sectioned under the Mental Health Act
From The Sun
She was [sitting next to her dismembered daughter and] listening to readings of the Koran being played through her headphones on an MP3 player at ear-splitting volume.
Nusayba's father Jerome Negney, 36, [believed to be a Muslim convert, discovered the murder] when he arrived home at the flat in Clapton, East London, mid-afternoon on Thursday.
Shayma [35-years-old] is alleged to have stabbed the child and then dismembered her in a ritualistic-style bloodbath.
One resident, a mum in her 30s, said: "She always wore a black headscarf, a veil. Usually you could only see her eyes."
Sources: Daily Mail (U.K.), The Sun
Comments: She is probably very religious and also mentally ill, but what she did and the Koran and religious ritual elements and the gruesome macabre nature of the killing is identical to the Islamic extremist Muslim terrorist atrocities.
Some previous similar or related stories:
Christian convert from Islam, Nurta Mohamed Farah, 17, killed in Somalia. Her parents treated conversion as mental illness & tortured her [Some Somalis in Somalia think that leaving Islam to convert to Christianity is mental illness. Such Muslim views aren't restricted to Somali however. See the case of Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan.]
Worse than “animals” Muslim terrorists who took Baghdad church hostage left 51 Christians dead [Gruesome similarities to this murder]
The “Devil's hand” terrorists demanded priest convert to Islam before shooting his head during Baghdad church siege [Chaldean Patriarch Emmanuel III Delly said the barbaric attack was satanic]
US backed 'ex-terrorist' KLA allegedly killed and harvested organs of Serb civilians but nothing done - justice sacrificed for short-term stability [These Muslims aren't insane but they still cut out human organs]
Islamists chop off hand and foot of accused robber in Somalia citing Koran [Chopping off limbs but not organs in Somalia under sharia reciting Koran 5:3]
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killed as an apparent religious offering
allegedly chanting verses of the Koran as her daughter's disembowelled corpse lay next to her
believed to be from Somalia
understood to have two teenage children of 14 and 16
has since been sectioned under the Mental Health Act
From The Sun
She was [sitting next to her dismembered daughter and] listening to readings of the Koran being played through her headphones on an MP3 player at ear-splitting volume.
Nusayba's father Jerome Negney, 36, [believed to be a Muslim convert, discovered the murder] when he arrived home at the flat in Clapton, East London, mid-afternoon on Thursday.
Shayma [35-years-old] is alleged to have stabbed the child and then dismembered her in a ritualistic-style bloodbath.
One resident, a mum in her 30s, said: "She always wore a black headscarf, a veil. Usually you could only see her eyes."
Sources: Daily Mail (U.K.), The Sun
Comments: She is probably very religious and also mentally ill, but what she did and the Koran and religious ritual elements and the gruesome macabre nature of the killing is identical to the Islamic extremist Muslim terrorist atrocities.
Some previous similar or related stories:
Christian convert from Islam, Nurta Mohamed Farah, 17, killed in Somalia. Her parents treated conversion as mental illness & tortured her [Some Somalis in Somalia think that leaving Islam to convert to Christianity is mental illness. Such Muslim views aren't restricted to Somali however. See the case of Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan.]
Worse than “animals” Muslim terrorists who took Baghdad church hostage left 51 Christians dead [Gruesome similarities to this murder]
The “Devil's hand” terrorists demanded priest convert to Islam before shooting his head during Baghdad church siege [Chaldean Patriarch Emmanuel III Delly said the barbaric attack was satanic]
US backed 'ex-terrorist' KLA allegedly killed and harvested organs of Serb civilians but nothing done - justice sacrificed for short-term stability [These Muslims aren't insane but they still cut out human organs]
Islamists chop off hand and foot of accused robber in Somalia citing Koran [Chopping off limbs but not organs in Somalia under sharia reciting Koran 5:3]
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WikiLeaked UK cable: Distorted Muslim view of life-world, blame game, double speak, 'moral equivalence' and, left-wing and media incite-excuse terrorism
Reference ID: 06LONDON5958
Created: 2006-08-14 17:05
Released: 2010-12-13 21:09
Classification: CONFIDENTIAL
Origin: Embassy London
¶1. (C) SUMMARY: Frustrated by the bruising that their community has taken after 24 UK-born Muslims were arrested in connection with the recently-thwarted air terrorist plot (reftels), prominent British Muslims sent an open letter to PM Tony Blair August 12 blaming his policy on Iraq and the Middle East for fueling extremism and putting British citizens at risk. HMG reacted angrily to the letter; in a series of meetings with Muslim community leaders August 14, government ministers planned to demand that the Muslim community itself do more to root out terrorists in its midst.
(U) BRITISH MUSLIMS ANGRY
¶4. (U) Prominent British Muslim leaders sent an open letter to PM Tony Blair August 12 stating that his policy on Iraq and the Middle East offers “ammunition to extremists” and puts British lives “at increased risk.” Appearing as a full page advertisement in newspapers August 13, the letter was signed by three of the four Muslim MPs, three of the five Muslim members of the House of Lords, and 38 Muslim organizations (for full text and list of signatories see para 10). Although the letter states specifically that “attacking civilians is never justified,” its signatories have used this sentence as a double-edged sword in defending the letter publicly, in effect equating civilian deaths in Lebanon with potential civilian deaths from terrorism. As MCB Secretary General Dr. Mohammed Abdul Bari told the press, “As Muslims, we condemn attacks on civilians wherever they happen. Civilians in the UK, the Middle East, and the rest of the world should all enjoy protection.”
(U) HMG ANGRY
¶5. (U) HMG reacted sharply to the letter. A spokesman for PM Blair (currently on holiday in Barbados), noting that al-Qaida terrorist attacks began well before Iraq, said, “To imply al-Qaida is driven by an honest disagreement over foreign policy is a mistake.” Home Secretary John Reid told the BBC, “I’m not going to question the motives of anyone who has signed this letter, but I think it is a dreadful
LONDON 00005958 002 OF 003
misjudgment if we believe the foreign policy of this country should be shaped in part, or in whole, under the threat of terrorist activity if we do not have a foreign policy with which the terrorists happen to agree.” Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander echoed these sentiments, saying “No government worth its salt should allow its foreign policy to be dictated to under the threat of terrorism.” Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said it would be “the gravest
SIPDIS possible error” to blame foreign policy for the threat of terrorism. “This is part of a distorted view of the world, a distorted view of life,” she said. “Let’s put the blame where it belongs: with people who wantonly want to take innocent lives.” Other ministers called the letter “facile,” “dangerous,” and “foolish.”
¶6. (U) Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly, along with ministers from her department and the Home Office, was scheduled to meet with representatives of various Muslim groups August 14. HMG has made clear that one message officials will deliver in these meetings is that Muslim leaders must do more to tackle extremism inside their community.
(U) ELEMENTS OF UNREST
¶8. (C) Also on August 14, law enforcement officials were scheduled to meet leaders from seven communities - Newham, Hackney, Barking, Dagenham, and Waltham Forest in London, plus Birmingham and High Wycombe - where they judged the possibility for unrest might lead to street violence.
¶9. (C) COMMENT: Since 7/7, HMG has invested considerable time and resources in engaging the British Muslim community. The current tensions demonstrate just how little progress has been made. At the same time, the Muslim community’s reaction to the arrests of 24 of its own sons - a knee-jerk reaction blaming HMG - shows that its leaders too have far to go. That said, the Muslim community is not the only element in Britain blaming HMG’s foreign policy for inciting radical elements; the left in particular but even the mainstream press has expressed the belief, reportedly wide-spread, that homegrown terrorism is an “inevitable” response to the UK’s involvement in Iraq and reluctance to call for an “immediate ceasefire” in the Middle East. HMG’s rather heated response to the letter is undoubtedly aimed at swaying broader opinion.
(U) FULL TEXT OF LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER BLAIR
¶10. (U) Begin text of letter:
Prime Minister, As British Muslims we urge you to do more to fight against all those who target civilians with violence, whenever and wherever that happens.
It is our view that current British government policy risks putting civilians at increased risk both in the UK and abroad.
To combat terror the government has focused extensively on
LONDON 00005958 003 OF 003
domestic legislation. While some of this will have an impact, the government must not ignore the role of its foreign policy.
The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East not only increases the risk to ordinary people in that region, it is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all.
Attacking civilians is never justified. This message is a global one. We urge the Prime Minister to redouble his efforts to tackle terror and extremism and change our foreign policy to show the world that we value the lives of civilians wherever they live and whatever their religion.
Such a move would make us all safer.
(Signed) Sadiq Khan MP, Shahid Malik MP, Mohammed Sarwar MP, Lord Patel of Blackburn, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Baronness Uddin, Association of Muslim Schools, British Muslim Forum, Bolton Mosques Council for Community Care, Confederation of Sunni Mosques, Midlands Council of Nigerian Muslim Organizations, Council of Mosques - London and Southern Counties, Council of Mosques Tower Hamlets, Da’awtul Islam UK and Eire, Federation of Muslim Organizations (Leicestershire), Federation of Students Islamic Societies (FOSIS), Indian Muslim Federation, Islamic Forum Europe, Islam Society of Britain, Jama’at Ahle Sunnat UK, Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK, Jamiat-e-Ulema Britain, Lancashire Council of Mosques, Muslim Association of Britain, Muslim Council of Britain, Muslim Council of Wales, Muslim Doctors and Dentists Association, Muslim Parliament, Muslim Solidarity Committee, Muslim Students Society UK and Eire, Muslim Welfare House (London), Muslim Women Society (MWS), Muslim Women’s Association, Northern Ireland Muslim Family Association (NIMFA), Sussex Muslim Society, The Council of European Jamaats, UK Action Committee on Islamic Affairs, UK Islamic Mission, UK Turkish Islamic Association, World Federation of KSIMC, World Islamic Mission, Young Muslim Organization UK, Young Muslim Sisters UK, Young Muslims UK.
End text of letter.
Visit London’s Classified Website: http://www.state.sgov.gov/p/eur/london/index. cfm Tuttle
Source: WikiLeaks.ch (Switzerland)
Comments: Old news but this is an excellent honest cable. Whoever wrote it should be promoted. Good to see that at lest some in the US State Department are sane and have a clear view of reality. Maybe there is still some hope left.
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Deadly dysfunctional Muslim culture, past, present, future, and why democracy and modernization fail [Blame game throughout history.]
Turky's Islamist PM Erdogan 'hates' Israel on religious grounds, Foreign Minister Davutoglu wants influence in Balkans like in Ottoman empire days [Excuses are just covers? Exposed?]
ISLAMIC TERROR 101: A case study in race-card, victim-card, blaming victims & isolated explanations, using UK 'anti-terror' police John Larkin [A blame game and left-wing group Unite Against Fascism is against anti-Islamism]
$2 billion more in US military aid for a Pakistan that doesn't fight terror [Not fighting terror]
Hugo Chavez and Iran in an Unholy alliance [Left-wing - Islamist Axis]
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Created: 2006-08-14 17:05
Released: 2010-12-13 21:09
Classification: CONFIDENTIAL
Origin: Embassy London
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Monday, 14 August 2006, 17:17
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 LONDON 005958
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 08/14/2011
TAGS PGOV, PTER, KISL, UK
SUBJECT: (U) TENSIONS RISE BETWEEN BRITISH MUSLIMS AND HMG
IN THE WAKE OF THWARTED TERRORIST ATTACKREF: A) LONDON 5921 B) LONDON 5884
Classified By: PolMinCouns Maura Connelly, Reasons 1.4 (B, D)¶1. (C) SUMMARY: Frustrated by the bruising that their community has taken after 24 UK-born Muslims were arrested in connection with the recently-thwarted air terrorist plot (reftels), prominent British Muslims sent an open letter to PM Tony Blair August 12 blaming his policy on Iraq and the Middle East for fueling extremism and putting British citizens at risk. HMG reacted angrily to the letter; in a series of meetings with Muslim community leaders August 14, government ministers planned to demand that the Muslim community itself do more to root out terrorists in its midst.
(U) BRITISH MUSLIMS ANGRY
¶4. (U) Prominent British Muslim leaders sent an open letter to PM Tony Blair August 12 stating that his policy on Iraq and the Middle East offers “ammunition to extremists” and puts British lives “at increased risk.” Appearing as a full page advertisement in newspapers August 13, the letter was signed by three of the four Muslim MPs, three of the five Muslim members of the House of Lords, and 38 Muslim organizations (for full text and list of signatories see para 10). Although the letter states specifically that “attacking civilians is never justified,” its signatories have used this sentence as a double-edged sword in defending the letter publicly, in effect equating civilian deaths in Lebanon with potential civilian deaths from terrorism. As MCB Secretary General Dr. Mohammed Abdul Bari told the press, “As Muslims, we condemn attacks on civilians wherever they happen. Civilians in the UK, the Middle East, and the rest of the world should all enjoy protection.”
(U) HMG ANGRY
¶5. (U) HMG reacted sharply to the letter. A spokesman for PM Blair (currently on holiday in Barbados), noting that al-Qaida terrorist attacks began well before Iraq, said, “To imply al-Qaida is driven by an honest disagreement over foreign policy is a mistake.” Home Secretary John Reid told the BBC, “I’m not going to question the motives of anyone who has signed this letter, but I think it is a dreadful
LONDON 00005958 002 OF 003
misjudgment if we believe the foreign policy of this country should be shaped in part, or in whole, under the threat of terrorist activity if we do not have a foreign policy with which the terrorists happen to agree.” Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander echoed these sentiments, saying “No government worth its salt should allow its foreign policy to be dictated to under the threat of terrorism.” Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said it would be “the gravest
SIPDIS possible error” to blame foreign policy for the threat of terrorism. “This is part of a distorted view of the world, a distorted view of life,” she said. “Let’s put the blame where it belongs: with people who wantonly want to take innocent lives.” Other ministers called the letter “facile,” “dangerous,” and “foolish.”
¶6. (U) Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly, along with ministers from her department and the Home Office, was scheduled to meet with representatives of various Muslim groups August 14. HMG has made clear that one message officials will deliver in these meetings is that Muslim leaders must do more to tackle extremism inside their community.
(U) ELEMENTS OF UNREST
¶8. (C) Also on August 14, law enforcement officials were scheduled to meet leaders from seven communities - Newham, Hackney, Barking, Dagenham, and Waltham Forest in London, plus Birmingham and High Wycombe - where they judged the possibility for unrest might lead to street violence.
¶9. (C) COMMENT: Since 7/7, HMG has invested considerable time and resources in engaging the British Muslim community. The current tensions demonstrate just how little progress has been made. At the same time, the Muslim community’s reaction to the arrests of 24 of its own sons - a knee-jerk reaction blaming HMG - shows that its leaders too have far to go. That said, the Muslim community is not the only element in Britain blaming HMG’s foreign policy for inciting radical elements; the left in particular but even the mainstream press has expressed the belief, reportedly wide-spread, that homegrown terrorism is an “inevitable” response to the UK’s involvement in Iraq and reluctance to call for an “immediate ceasefire” in the Middle East. HMG’s rather heated response to the letter is undoubtedly aimed at swaying broader opinion.
(U) FULL TEXT OF LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER BLAIR
¶10. (U) Begin text of letter:
Prime Minister, As British Muslims we urge you to do more to fight against all those who target civilians with violence, whenever and wherever that happens.
It is our view that current British government policy risks putting civilians at increased risk both in the UK and abroad.
To combat terror the government has focused extensively on
LONDON 00005958 003 OF 003
domestic legislation. While some of this will have an impact, the government must not ignore the role of its foreign policy.
The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East not only increases the risk to ordinary people in that region, it is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all.
Attacking civilians is never justified. This message is a global one. We urge the Prime Minister to redouble his efforts to tackle terror and extremism and change our foreign policy to show the world that we value the lives of civilians wherever they live and whatever their religion.
Such a move would make us all safer.
(Signed) Sadiq Khan MP, Shahid Malik MP, Mohammed Sarwar MP, Lord Patel of Blackburn, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Baronness Uddin, Association of Muslim Schools, British Muslim Forum, Bolton Mosques Council for Community Care, Confederation of Sunni Mosques, Midlands Council of Nigerian Muslim Organizations, Council of Mosques - London and Southern Counties, Council of Mosques Tower Hamlets, Da’awtul Islam UK and Eire, Federation of Muslim Organizations (Leicestershire), Federation of Students Islamic Societies (FOSIS), Indian Muslim Federation, Islamic Forum Europe, Islam Society of Britain, Jama’at Ahle Sunnat UK, Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK, Jamiat-e-Ulema Britain, Lancashire Council of Mosques, Muslim Association of Britain, Muslim Council of Britain, Muslim Council of Wales, Muslim Doctors and Dentists Association, Muslim Parliament, Muslim Solidarity Committee, Muslim Students Society UK and Eire, Muslim Welfare House (London), Muslim Women Society (MWS), Muslim Women’s Association, Northern Ireland Muslim Family Association (NIMFA), Sussex Muslim Society, The Council of European Jamaats, UK Action Committee on Islamic Affairs, UK Islamic Mission, UK Turkish Islamic Association, World Federation of KSIMC, World Islamic Mission, Young Muslim Organization UK, Young Muslim Sisters UK, Young Muslims UK.
End text of letter.
Visit London’s Classified Website: http://www.state.sgov.gov/p/eur/london/index. cfm Tuttle
Source: WikiLeaks.ch (Switzerland)
Comments: Old news but this is an excellent honest cable. Whoever wrote it should be promoted. Good to see that at lest some in the US State Department are sane and have a clear view of reality. Maybe there is still some hope left.
Some previous similar or related stories:
Deadly dysfunctional Muslim culture, past, present, future, and why democracy and modernization fail [Blame game throughout history.]
Turky's Islamist PM Erdogan 'hates' Israel on religious grounds, Foreign Minister Davutoglu wants influence in Balkans like in Ottoman empire days [Excuses are just covers? Exposed?]
ISLAMIC TERROR 101: A case study in race-card, victim-card, blaming victims & isolated explanations, using UK 'anti-terror' police John Larkin [A blame game and left-wing group Unite Against Fascism is against anti-Islamism]
$2 billion more in US military aid for a Pakistan that doesn't fight terror [Not fighting terror]
Hugo Chavez and Iran in an Unholy alliance [Left-wing - Islamist Axis]
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Saturday, December 18, 2010
Muslims profit from terrorism: WikiLeaked cable from UK says Muslims are “key audience” and “top priority” for charm offensive because of terrorism
Reference ID: 10LONDON268
Created: 2010-02-05 12:12
Released: 2010-12-14 21:09
Classification: CONFIDENTIAL//NOFORN
Origin: Embassy London
Source: WikiLeaks.ch (Switzerland)
Comments: Muslims gets all the attention, preferential treatment and rewards, because of terrorism in their community.
Maybe this is the reason why the problem of terrorism is persistent and widespread in that community.
Its like a spoiled kid that misbehaves to get attention and whatever it wants, and is rewarded for it. (The kid has other underlying problems too and isn't misbehaving only for attention. Even when it isn't looking for attention it beats up others for no reason.)
They probably enjoy all that extra attention and getting their egos massaged and being told how wonderful they are. (Theses sorts of homage no doubt further fuel their supremacist beliefs and delusions of grandeur, when in reality they are the worst and the least deserving in the sense that they aren't getting all these for some positive achievements. They haven't earned it. If anything, they have only extorted it.)
And it will also encourage further bad behavior and blackmail in the future. They will be saying, "Give us what we want or there will be terrorism" or "We will only fight terror if you give us what we want", every time they want something.
Keep in mind also that there is blackmail and extortion by terrorists kidnapping people (or Somali pirates hijacking ships) for ransom.
Some previous similar or related stories:
“Don't reward bad behaviour.” “A club is the only medicine for a mad dog” North Korea – Strategies that should also be adopted against Islamists [A better way of dealing]
Muslims profit from terror; New US military aid for Pakistan, on top of annual 2 billion, 7.5 billion pledged and 400 million flood aid [Muslims get aid because of terrorism while others who need and deserve help even more are ignored because they don't have the problem of terrorism. It is also questionable whether this bribery approach is working or making things worse.]
$2 billion more in US military aid for a Pakistan that doesn't fight terror [The money might even end up being used to fund terrorists in Afghanistan and India]
Al-Qaeda in North Africa (AQIM), shopping for weapons with kidnap ransom money [Rewarding terror just makes it worse.]
Somali pirates get a record US 9 million dollars in ransom for oil tanker Samho Dream, and are getting more violent
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Created: 2010-02-05 12:12
Released: 2010-12-14 21:09
Classification: CONFIDENTIAL//NOFORN
Origin: Embassy London
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Source: WikiLeaks.ch (Switzerland)
Comments: Muslims gets all the attention, preferential treatment and rewards, because of terrorism in their community.
Maybe this is the reason why the problem of terrorism is persistent and widespread in that community.
Its like a spoiled kid that misbehaves to get attention and whatever it wants, and is rewarded for it. (The kid has other underlying problems too and isn't misbehaving only for attention. Even when it isn't looking for attention it beats up others for no reason.)
They probably enjoy all that extra attention and getting their egos massaged and being told how wonderful they are. (Theses sorts of homage no doubt further fuel their supremacist beliefs and delusions of grandeur, when in reality they are the worst and the least deserving in the sense that they aren't getting all these for some positive achievements. They haven't earned it. If anything, they have only extorted it.)
And it will also encourage further bad behavior and blackmail in the future. They will be saying, "Give us what we want or there will be terrorism" or "We will only fight terror if you give us what we want", every time they want something.
Keep in mind also that there is blackmail and extortion by terrorists kidnapping people (or Somali pirates hijacking ships) for ransom.
Some previous similar or related stories:
“Don't reward bad behaviour.” “A club is the only medicine for a mad dog” North Korea – Strategies that should also be adopted against Islamists [A better way of dealing]
Muslims profit from terror; New US military aid for Pakistan, on top of annual 2 billion, 7.5 billion pledged and 400 million flood aid [Muslims get aid because of terrorism while others who need and deserve help even more are ignored because they don't have the problem of terrorism. It is also questionable whether this bribery approach is working or making things worse.]
$2 billion more in US military aid for a Pakistan that doesn't fight terror [The money might even end up being used to fund terrorists in Afghanistan and India]
Al-Qaeda in North Africa (AQIM), shopping for weapons with kidnap ransom money [Rewarding terror just makes it worse.]
Somali pirates get a record US 9 million dollars in ransom for oil tanker Samho Dream, and are getting more violent
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WikiLeaked US embassy UK cable: Muslims most unemployed and disabled, some supports killing for Islam, and apostates (6 percent)
Reference ID: 09LONDON27
Created: 2009-01-06 11:11
Released: 2010-12-14 21:09
Classification: SECRET
Origin Embassy: London
O 061155Z JAN 09
FM AMEMBASSY LONDON
TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 0834
S E C R E T LONDON 000027
DEPARTMENT FOR INR/I AND EUR/WE
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/30/2018
TAGS: PINR KISL KPLS UK
SUBJECT: UK MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS (C-RE8-02527)
REF: A. 08 STATE 128186
¶B. LONDON DAILY REPORT 7-28-08
Classified By: Political Counselor Rick Mills, Jr. for reasons 1.4 (b)
and (d)
¶4. (SBU) The following are excerpts from the UK's Office of
National Statistics (ONS), all data is from the 2001 UK
census unless otherwise noted.
-- Unemployment rates were higher for Muslims than any other
religion, for both men and women. Muslim male unemployment
rate was 13% in 2004, and for women it was 18%.
-- Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 had the highest
unemployment rates at 28%; 11% of Muslims over the age of 25
were unemployed.
-- Muslims were most likely to be unavailable or not actively
seeking work due to reasons such as disability, being a
student, or looking after the family and home. 31% of
working-age men were economically inactive, as were 69% of
working-age women.
-- Muslims, both male and female, had the highest rates of
reported ill health in 2000. Age-standardized rates of "not
good" health were 13% for Muslim males and 16% for Muslim
females.
-- Muslims had the highest rates of disability, with 24% of
females and 21% of males claiming a disability.
-- 33% of working-age Muslims in Great Britain had no
qualifications in 2004, which is the highest rate of any
religious group. At 12%, they were also the least likely to
have degrees or equivalent qualifications.
-- In 2006, controversy arose after 100 Islamic private
schools turned out to be "little more than places where the
Koran is recited," the schools promised to upgrade their
instruction and they are due for review in 2010.
-- According to a poll of 600 Muslim and 800 non-Muslim
students at thirty universities throughout the UK conducted
by the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC), as reported ref B,
32 percent of Muslims on UK campuses believe killing in the
name of religion is justified, 54 percent wanted a Muslim
Party to represent their world view in Parliament, and 40
percent want Muslims in the UK to be under Sharia law. Only
2 percent of non-Muslims felt killing in the name of religion
could be justified and none believed it was acceptable for
Muslims in the UK to have a religious-based party, or to be
under Sharia law. 73 percent of Muslim students are at least
occasional participants in Friday services while only 2
percent of non-Muslim students attend any religious service.
The poll results also found that 73 percent of Muslim
students believe it is possible to be both Muslim and British
and a similar number believe their parents are "much more or
somewhat more" strict Muslims than they are. In addition
only six percent believed that people who leave Islam for
another religion should be "punished according to Sharia law"
(killed).
Source: WikiLeaks.ch (Switzerland)
Comments: Not sure if those statistics have changed since then but at least it shows the history.
Muslims have these social problems worse than those from other religions and they also are the most religious.
This shows once again that the problem with Muslims isn't restricted to terrorism.
It wouldn't be surprising if young religious Muslims with social problems end up as terrorists, although terrorists come from all backgrounds.
Some will argue that social problems cause terrorism but this is not the whole story.
Social problems in Muslim communities are linked to their culture and religion.
And also, unlike Muslims, those from other religions who face the same social problems do not engage in terrorism as a result (or if they do then not nearly as severely as the Muslims).
The hight rate of marriage between close relatives among Muslims must contribute to the hight rate of disability.
Some previous similar or related stories:
Christian convert from Islam, Nurta Mohamed Farah, 17, killed in Somalia. Her parents treated conversion as mental illness & tortured her [Death for apostasy]
Musa Sayed, 45, and Ahmad Shah, 50, awaiting trial and facing death penalty in Afghanistan for conversion to Christianity from Islam [Death for apostasy]
Multiculturalism utterly failed in Germany, say German Chancellor Merkel [Muslims should adopt Western culture]
Finally some PROOF: German studies find religious and cultural roots to Muslim propensity to violence, PC excuses can't explain all – like so DUH!!! [Cultural and religious roots of Muslims]
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Created: 2009-01-06 11:11
Released: 2010-12-14 21:09
Classification: SECRET
Origin Embassy: London
O 061155Z JAN 09
FM AMEMBASSY LONDON
TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 0834
S E C R E T LONDON 000027
DEPARTMENT FOR INR/I AND EUR/WE
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/30/2018
TAGS: PINR KISL KPLS UK
SUBJECT: UK MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS (C-RE8-02527)
REF: A. 08 STATE 128186
¶B. LONDON DAILY REPORT 7-28-08
Classified By: Political Counselor Rick Mills, Jr. for reasons 1.4 (b)
and (d)
¶4. (SBU) The following are excerpts from the UK's Office of
National Statistics (ONS), all data is from the 2001 UK
census unless otherwise noted.
-- Unemployment rates were higher for Muslims than any other
religion, for both men and women. Muslim male unemployment
rate was 13% in 2004, and for women it was 18%.
-- Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 had the highest
unemployment rates at 28%; 11% of Muslims over the age of 25
were unemployed.
-- Muslims were most likely to be unavailable or not actively
seeking work due to reasons such as disability, being a
student, or looking after the family and home. 31% of
working-age men were economically inactive, as were 69% of
working-age women.
-- Muslims, both male and female, had the highest rates of
reported ill health in 2000. Age-standardized rates of "not
good" health were 13% for Muslim males and 16% for Muslim
females.
-- Muslims had the highest rates of disability, with 24% of
females and 21% of males claiming a disability.
-- 33% of working-age Muslims in Great Britain had no
qualifications in 2004, which is the highest rate of any
religious group. At 12%, they were also the least likely to
have degrees or equivalent qualifications.
-- In 2006, controversy arose after 100 Islamic private
schools turned out to be "little more than places where the
Koran is recited," the schools promised to upgrade their
instruction and they are due for review in 2010.
-- According to a poll of 600 Muslim and 800 non-Muslim
students at thirty universities throughout the UK conducted
by the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC), as reported ref B,
32 percent of Muslims on UK campuses believe killing in the
name of religion is justified, 54 percent wanted a Muslim
Party to represent their world view in Parliament, and 40
percent want Muslims in the UK to be under Sharia law. Only
2 percent of non-Muslims felt killing in the name of religion
could be justified and none believed it was acceptable for
Muslims in the UK to have a religious-based party, or to be
under Sharia law. 73 percent of Muslim students are at least
occasional participants in Friday services while only 2
percent of non-Muslim students attend any religious service.
The poll results also found that 73 percent of Muslim
students believe it is possible to be both Muslim and British
and a similar number believe their parents are "much more or
somewhat more" strict Muslims than they are. In addition
only six percent believed that people who leave Islam for
another religion should be "punished according to Sharia law"
(killed).
Source: WikiLeaks.ch (Switzerland)
Comments: Not sure if those statistics have changed since then but at least it shows the history.
Muslims have these social problems worse than those from other religions and they also are the most religious.
This shows once again that the problem with Muslims isn't restricted to terrorism.
It wouldn't be surprising if young religious Muslims with social problems end up as terrorists, although terrorists come from all backgrounds.
Some will argue that social problems cause terrorism but this is not the whole story.
Social problems in Muslim communities are linked to their culture and religion.
And also, unlike Muslims, those from other religions who face the same social problems do not engage in terrorism as a result (or if they do then not nearly as severely as the Muslims).
The hight rate of marriage between close relatives among Muslims must contribute to the hight rate of disability.
Some previous similar or related stories:
Christian convert from Islam, Nurta Mohamed Farah, 17, killed in Somalia. Her parents treated conversion as mental illness & tortured her [Death for apostasy]
Musa Sayed, 45, and Ahmad Shah, 50, awaiting trial and facing death penalty in Afghanistan for conversion to Christianity from Islam [Death for apostasy]
Multiculturalism utterly failed in Germany, say German Chancellor Merkel [Muslims should adopt Western culture]
Finally some PROOF: German studies find religious and cultural roots to Muslim propensity to violence, PC excuses can't explain all – like so DUH!!! [Cultural and religious roots of Muslims]
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Missile strike in Pakistan 'allegedly' killed White British Muslim convert terrorists, Stephen (Abu Bakr) and Dearsmith (Mansoor Ahmed)
According to local officials, White British Muslim converts with surnames Stephen, 48, and Dearsmith, 25, and with pseudonyms Abu Bakr and Mansoor Ahmed, died after (BBC) Hellfire missile strike by a remote-controlled US aircraft (Daily Mirror) on a car near the town of Datta Khel in North Waziristan on December 10. (BBC)
Their bodies, along with that of two other militants in the car, were incinerated by the attack and what little was left was taken away by the militants. (BBC)
The two are thought to have arrive in Pakistan in November 2009 to fight with al-Qaeda. (Daily Mirror)
Daily Mail warned that
"[British] Foreign Office made clear that there had been no official confirmation that Britons had died in the missile attack seven days ago.
Sources warned that the reports could be propaganda put out by the Taliban to encourage more British Islamists to the region to join the fight against coalition forces, including British soldiers, in neighbouring Afghanistan.
They also suggested that the Pakistani security services might have concocted the claims to stifle criticism of their failure to tackle extremism in the country."
The Foreign Office said the British High Commission in Pakistan was seeking further information. (BBC)
Source: BBC, Daily Mail (U.K.), Daily Mirror (U.K.)
Comments: This is unconfirmed yet but either way it would be yet another Muslim convert terrorist case or a lie by the Taliban or Pakistanis.
There is also a big possibility that the politically correct British authorities are trying to down play the problem of Islamic extremism in Britain (for example Londonistan).
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Taqiyya BIG talk: Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid exaggerates death toll, as they regularly do [Taliban propaganda]
WkikLeaks: US and Karzai say UK 'not up to the task' in Afghanistan and ‘made a mess of things’ according to ‘dismayed’ U.S. General Dan McNeil [Both on and off the battlefield, British authorities prefer appeasement while targeting those speaking out against Islamic extremism]
US should invade if Pakistan continue supporting terror, says Muslim former US ambassador to Afghanistan [Pakistan behind Afghan terror]
Pakistan involved in Mumbai terror attacks according to David Headley [Pakistan supporting terror not only in Afghanistan but also in India]
White American Muslim convert Zachary Adam Chesser pleads guilty to terror charges [A white Muslim convert terrorist]
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Their bodies, along with that of two other militants in the car, were incinerated by the attack and what little was left was taken away by the militants. (BBC)
The two are thought to have arrive in Pakistan in November 2009 to fight with al-Qaeda. (Daily Mirror)
Daily Mail warned that
"[British] Foreign Office made clear that there had been no official confirmation that Britons had died in the missile attack seven days ago.
Sources warned that the reports could be propaganda put out by the Taliban to encourage more British Islamists to the region to join the fight against coalition forces, including British soldiers, in neighbouring Afghanistan.
They also suggested that the Pakistani security services might have concocted the claims to stifle criticism of their failure to tackle extremism in the country."
The Foreign Office said the British High Commission in Pakistan was seeking further information. (BBC)
Source: BBC, Daily Mail (U.K.), Daily Mirror (U.K.)
Comments: This is unconfirmed yet but either way it would be yet another Muslim convert terrorist case or a lie by the Taliban or Pakistanis.
There is also a big possibility that the politically correct British authorities are trying to down play the problem of Islamic extremism in Britain (for example Londonistan).
Some previous similar or related stories:
Taqiyya BIG talk: Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid exaggerates death toll, as they regularly do [Taliban propaganda]
WkikLeaks: US and Karzai say UK 'not up to the task' in Afghanistan and ‘made a mess of things’ according to ‘dismayed’ U.S. General Dan McNeil [Both on and off the battlefield, British authorities prefer appeasement while targeting those speaking out against Islamic extremism]
US should invade if Pakistan continue supporting terror, says Muslim former US ambassador to Afghanistan [Pakistan behind Afghan terror]
Pakistan involved in Mumbai terror attacks according to David Headley [Pakistan supporting terror not only in Afghanistan but also in India]
White American Muslim convert Zachary Adam Chesser pleads guilty to terror charges [A white Muslim convert terrorist]
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Saturday, December 4, 2010
WkikLeaks: US and Karzai say UK 'not up to the task' in Afghanistan and ‘made a mess of things’ according to ‘dismayed’ U.S. General Dan McNeil
Daily Mail reports that,
Source: Daily Mail (UK)
Comment: Can we trust Hillary's apology? We will have to wait until the next leaks to find out but judging from what was revealed in the current leaks, she probably was just being 'diplomatic'.
Here is a previous comment regarding the British
This is symptomatic, especially of the British among the rest of the wishful thinkers, who in their immature and childish psychology, naively and arrogantly think that being 'nice' will solve everything. (There were reports that British troops were replaced by the Americans in Musa Qala, Helmand province, Afghanistan, after their be 'nice' approach didn't work, with Marine commander Lt. Col. Michael Manning saying, "They didn't pursue the Taliban," "We'll go after them." There were also earlier claims by US General Jack Keane and Col Peter Mansoor that the Brits left in disgrace and defeat from souther Iraq after a similar approach failed and handed the place over to Islamic extremists and as a result, among other things, '45 women were killed by the militia for "un-Islamic" behaviour'. So being nice to terrorists is not nice to their victims. The French intelligence even claimed their own capital has been taken over by the Islamists and called it 'Londonistan'. The British are only hard on other British and non-British who speaks out against Islamic extremism as the recent example of 'anti-terror' police John Larkin shows.)
Some previous similar or related stories:
UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit
Obama and anti-war defeatists blamed for emboldening terrorists in Afghanistan where minorities want US to stay
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President Hamid Karzai contemptuously dismissed UK forces as ‘not up to the task’ of securing the Taliban stronghold [of Helmand province], cables released by WikiLeaks have revealed.Ian Sadler, of Exmouth, Devon, who lost his son, Trooper Jack Sadler, 21, when his Land Rover hit a mine near Sangin in 2007 said:
And U.S. General Dan McNeil, who led Nato forces in the war zone in 2007-08, claimed to be ‘dismayed’ that Britain had ‘made a mess of things’.
‘We weren’t up to doing the job. The soldiers were, but they didn’t have the support of the Government, and they still don’t have the full support.’Hillary has made an apology for those comments.
Source: Daily Mail (UK)
Comment: Can we trust Hillary's apology? We will have to wait until the next leaks to find out but judging from what was revealed in the current leaks, she probably was just being 'diplomatic'.
Here is a previous comment regarding the British
This is symptomatic, especially of the British among the rest of the wishful thinkers, who in their immature and childish psychology, naively and arrogantly think that being 'nice' will solve everything. (There were reports that British troops were replaced by the Americans in Musa Qala, Helmand province, Afghanistan, after their be 'nice' approach didn't work, with Marine commander Lt. Col. Michael Manning saying, "They didn't pursue the Taliban," "We'll go after them." There were also earlier claims by US General Jack Keane and Col Peter Mansoor that the Brits left in disgrace and defeat from souther Iraq after a similar approach failed and handed the place over to Islamic extremists and as a result, among other things, '45 women were killed by the militia for "un-Islamic" behaviour'. So being nice to terrorists is not nice to their victims. The French intelligence even claimed their own capital has been taken over by the Islamists and called it 'Londonistan'. The British are only hard on other British and non-British who speaks out against Islamic extremism as the recent example of 'anti-terror' police John Larkin shows.)
Some previous similar or related stories:
UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit
Obama and anti-war defeatists blamed for emboldening terrorists in Afghanistan where minorities want US to stay
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Sunday, November 28, 2010
Problem of Asian (MUSLIM PAKISTANI?) gangs luring and sexually abusing young White girls in Northern England but PC authorities won't admit
Nine men – all Asians (probably all Pakistanis) – except one, in Derby, England, have been jailed for sexual offenses against 27 girls,1 aged between 12-18,2 of which 22 were White.1
Two of those jailed, Abid Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat, both 28, were 'married with young children, were considered clean, upstanding family men as well as devout Muslims.'2
Since the start of the court case, these two 'had grown long beards and now wear Islamic dress'.2
The conviction of this gang came as a result of Operation Retriever, an undercover investigation by Derbyshire Police.2
It is believed that up to 100 girls may have been abused.1
The gang dressed smartly and roamed the streets in a BMW to lured and groom girls before turning them into sex slaves and raping or abusing them over weeks or months.1
The victims were held in contempt and called ‘gori’, meaning ‘white-skinned female’ in Urdu, instead of by their name.1
A female Asian social worker explained that British Pakistani men often think white girls have lower morals than Muslims girls and believe that those who dress revealing “deserve what they get”.1
This case follows two other recent cases; the jailing of five Asian men earlier this month and nine Asian weeks before that for similar sexual offences.1
According to Daily Mail
The few who have spoken out against this “deafening silence” includes 'former MP Ann Cryer (criticised seven years ago when she said Asian gangs were raping white girls)' , Mohammed Shafiq, director of a charity promoting inter-community harmony, and Shokat Lal, chairman of Derby's Pakistani Community Centre in the Normanton area where most of the crimes took place.1
Shafiq has said
Sources: 1. Daily Mail (U.K.), 2. The Daily Telegraph
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UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks
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Was race a factor in the murder of a Black man treated like a slave by the homosexual Saudi prince?
Two of those jailed, Abid Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat, both 28, were 'married with young children, were considered clean, upstanding family men as well as devout Muslims.'2
Since the start of the court case, these two 'had grown long beards and now wear Islamic dress'.2
The conviction of this gang came as a result of Operation Retriever, an undercover investigation by Derbyshire Police.2
It is believed that up to 100 girls may have been abused.1
The gang dressed smartly and roamed the streets in a BMW to lured and groom girls before turning them into sex slaves and raping or abusing them over weeks or months.1
The victims were held in contempt and called ‘gori’, meaning ‘white-skinned female’ in Urdu, instead of by their name.1
A female Asian social worker explained that British Pakistani men often think white girls have lower morals than Muslims girls and believe that those who dress revealing “deserve what they get”.1
This case follows two other recent cases; the jailing of five Asian men earlier this month and nine Asian weeks before that for similar sexual offences.1
According to Daily Mail
It is a subject that in politically correct modern Britain is almost taboo — rarely spoken about by the police, the courts or even the agencies that counsel the girls afterwards.1The BBC radio reports on the case barely mentioned race and even the local city newspaper failed to use the word Asian.1
The simple fact is that the perpetrators are almost all Asian and from the north of England — and their victims white.1
The few who have spoken out against this “deafening silence” includes 'former MP Ann Cryer (criticised seven years ago when she said Asian gangs were raping white girls)' , Mohammed Shafiq, director of a charity promoting inter-community harmony, and Shokat Lal, chairman of Derby's Pakistani Community Centre in the Normanton area where most of the crimes took place.1
Shafiq has said
‘I think the police are overcautious because they are afraid of being branded racist.1Shokat Lal also spoke out saying
‘It is important that political correctness or fear of offending any particular group of people does not get in the way of protecting those who are vulnerable.1
Sources: 1. Daily Mail (U.K.), 2. The Daily Telegraph
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Libyan president who tried converting Italian girls to Islam said to have sex orgies that were copied by Italian Prime Minister
Western couple called "swine" & "infidels" during Islamic marriage renewal ceremony in Maldives [Hussein Didi made sexual insults against the couple accusing them of immorality]
UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks
Murder and dumping of Indonesian maid Kikim and torture of Sumiati in Saudi Arabia being 'deceitfully' dismissed as "very rare" cases [Kikim Komalasari binti Uko Marta, who was killed had allegedly been sexually abused]
Was race a factor in the murder of a Black man treated like a slave by the homosexual Saudi prince?
Saturday, November 27, 2010
UK's MI6 'intelligence' conned by impostor claiming to be Taliban's Mullah Mansour – “naive” Westerners “excited so quickly” about peace talks
"My good friends, this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time [emphasis added]. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. And now I recommend you to go home and sleep quietly in your beds." - British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain just before World War Two (From Wikipedia)
The man was flown on British C130 transport aircraft a number of times for “secret peace talks”,4 described as a "historic breakthrough",4 and participated in three sensitive meetings between Taliban and the Afghan government.3 He allegedly even met Afghan president Hamid Karzai once3 after being flown to Kabul, although this has been denied by Karzai.1,2,4
The Americans - believed to have helped the British check him using signal intelligence1 – now say they had been skeptical1 of the identity of “the Brits' guy”, judging him a few inches shorter than the real Mansour.3
The man, now thought to have been either a shopkeeper in Quetta,2,3,4 a low level Taliban commander, a conman3,4 or a Pakistain spy,3 disappeared after an Afghan official who had met the real Mansour pointed out it was not him.1,2,3
Michael Scheuer, who until 2004 was the CIA's point man for the hunt for Osama bin Laden suggested a reason for the debacle saying2
Sources: 1. AFP, 2. AP, 3. BBC, 4. Reuters
Comments: This must be the result of politically correct censorship that makes it an 'Islamophobic' blasphemy (Geert Wilders, Thilo Sarrazin) punishable by death or imprisonment for life in some places (Asia Bibi, Walid Husayin) any questioning or criticism of Islam or Muslims.
If anyone expresses even the slightest of doubt, based on sound evidence, about Islam or Muslims, they are branded bigots and 'Islamophobic'. Everyone is instead brainwashed into believing fairy tales and swallowing whole the politically correct version of events.
So it would not be surprising if MI6 agents didn't dare doubt what a Muslim said in this case. They would probably be branded bigots and disciplined and given corrective cultural lessons if they did. (There were concerns about Major Nidal Malik Hasan before his shootings but nothing was done.)
This is symptomatic, especially of the British among the rest of the wishful thinkers, who in their immature and childish psychology, naively and arrogantly think that being 'nice' will solve everything. (There were reports that British troops were replaced by the Americans in Musa Qala, Helmand province, Afghanistan, after their be 'nice' approach didn't work, with Marine commander Lt. Col. Michael Manning saying, "They didn't pursue the Taliban," "We'll go after them." There were also earlier claims by US General Jack Keane and Col Peter Mansoor that the Brits left in disgrace and defeat from souther Iraq after a similar approach failed and handed the place over to Islamic extremists and as a result, among other things, '45 women were killed by the militia for "un-Islamic" behaviour'. So being nice to terrorists is not nice to their victims. The French intelligence even claimed their own capital has been taken over by the Islamists and called it 'Londonistan'. The British are only hard on other British and non-British who speaks out against Islamic extremism as the recent example of 'anti-terror' police John Larkin shows.)
The case of New York city 'human rights' commissioner Omar T. Mohammedi, recently reported here, has been claimed by some to have happened as a result of similar problems.
This from the World Net Daily report
There is a possibility that this conman was a double agent for the Pakistanis trying to sabotage Afghan peace talks. As reported earlier on this site here and here, Pakistan supports the Taliban with the aim of using them as their proxies in Afghanistan once foreign troops leave. But he could also be a Taliban double agent as well.
Finally, remember words such as "naive", "peace", "historic", "excited" and "desperation". They are words always heard before some tragedy or farce.
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An imposter who managed to fool Britain's MI6 foreign intelligence agency into believing that he was senior Taliban commander Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour1,4 has now vanished after being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to engage in peace talks.1,2,3The man was flown on British C130 transport aircraft a number of times for “secret peace talks”,4 described as a "historic breakthrough",4 and participated in three sensitive meetings between Taliban and the Afghan government.3 He allegedly even met Afghan president Hamid Karzai once3 after being flown to Kabul, although this has been denied by Karzai.1,2,4
The Americans - believed to have helped the British check him using signal intelligence1 – now say they had been skeptical1 of the identity of “the Brits' guy”, judging him a few inches shorter than the real Mansour.3
The man, now thought to have been either a shopkeeper in Quetta,2,3,4 a low level Taliban commander, a conman3,4 or a Pakistain spy,3 disappeared after an Afghan official who had met the real Mansour pointed out it was not him.1,2,3
Michael Scheuer, who until 2004 was the CIA's point man for the hunt for Osama bin Laden suggested a reason for the debacle saying2
the Taliban's strength and the U.S. administration's stated goals of getting out of Afghanistan has created desperation for successes.2A senior Afghan official said1
"British intelligence was naive and there was wishful thinking on our part."1,2,4 [Something which this site has been warning about since the beginning!]Mr Karzai's chief of staff, Mohammad Umer Daudzai warned3
"The last lesson we draw from this: International partners should not get excited so quickly with those kind of things,"3
Sources: 1. AFP, 2. AP, 3. BBC, 4. Reuters
Comments: This must be the result of politically correct censorship that makes it an 'Islamophobic' blasphemy (Geert Wilders, Thilo Sarrazin) punishable by death or imprisonment for life in some places (Asia Bibi, Walid Husayin) any questioning or criticism of Islam or Muslims.
If anyone expresses even the slightest of doubt, based on sound evidence, about Islam or Muslims, they are branded bigots and 'Islamophobic'. Everyone is instead brainwashed into believing fairy tales and swallowing whole the politically correct version of events.
So it would not be surprising if MI6 agents didn't dare doubt what a Muslim said in this case. They would probably be branded bigots and disciplined and given corrective cultural lessons if they did. (There were concerns about Major Nidal Malik Hasan before his shootings but nothing was done.)
This is symptomatic, especially of the British among the rest of the wishful thinkers, who in their immature and childish psychology, naively and arrogantly think that being 'nice' will solve everything. (There were reports that British troops were replaced by the Americans in Musa Qala, Helmand province, Afghanistan, after their be 'nice' approach didn't work, with Marine commander Lt. Col. Michael Manning saying, "They didn't pursue the Taliban," "We'll go after them." There were also earlier claims by US General Jack Keane and Col Peter Mansoor that the Brits left in disgrace and defeat from souther Iraq after a similar approach failed and handed the place over to Islamic extremists and as a result, among other things, '45 women were killed by the militia for "un-Islamic" behaviour'. So being nice to terrorists is not nice to their victims. The French intelligence even claimed their own capital has been taken over by the Islamists and called it 'Londonistan'. The British are only hard on other British and non-British who speaks out against Islamic extremism as the recent example of 'anti-terror' police John Larkin shows.)
The case of New York city 'human rights' commissioner Omar T. Mohammedi, recently reported here, has been claimed by some to have happened as a result of similar problems.
This from the World Net Daily report
Debra Burlingame, sister of the pilot killed in the hijacked 9/11 flight that hit the Pentagon, says it's possible that Bloomberg was not aware of Mohammedi's background when he named him to the commission.And as for lessons, don't bet that they will learn anything. Dodo's never do.
"That happens, unfortunately, as local governments cast about for someone to partner with in the Muslim community," she said. "CAIR and other similar groups have capitalized on the government's desire to engage."
There is a possibility that this conman was a double agent for the Pakistanis trying to sabotage Afghan peace talks. As reported earlier on this site here and here, Pakistan supports the Taliban with the aim of using them as their proxies in Afghanistan once foreign troops leave. But he could also be a Taliban double agent as well.
Finally, remember words such as "naive", "peace", "historic", "excited" and "desperation". They are words always heard before some tragedy or farce.
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Obama and anti-war defeatists blamed for emboldening terrorists in Afghanistan where minorities want US to stay
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Monday, November 22, 2010
Jews want resources and to rule the world, some turned to apes, death for 'gays' and how to chop of thief's limbs taught in UK Muslim weekend schools
An investigation by BBC's 'Panorama' program has found that around 5,000 school children in around 40 schools across the U.K. are being taught from textbooks with Islamic extremist content.3
Some of these texts used during part-time weekend schools4 when Muslim children are taught Saudi national curriculum2 teaches that
The director of the clubs and schools network however said that it was under the control the Saudi Cultural Bureau, which is part of the Saudi embassy.2
Asked by the BBC about the findings of the Panorama program contained in a documentary titled “British Schools Muslim Rules,”4 the Saudi embassy said
Dr Usama Hasan, an Islamic scholar and part-time imam in east London, warned that lack of interaction between and non-Muslims means “ingredients of the western world” are not learnt by young Muslims2
Sources: 1. AFP, 2. BBC, 3. Mirror 4. The Guardian, 5. The Jerusalem Post
Comment: Note the “out of context” argument from the Saudi embassy, and “Islam was under attack” argument from Hasan.
The case for amputations seems fairly clear as stated in the Koran 5:38, "As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. ... Allah is Mighty, Wise." Hard to see how it could possibly be "out of context."
As for Jews being turned into pigs and apes, it seems to be based on the Koran 5:59-60
5:59 Say: "O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?"
5:60 Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"
The verses here are do not appear as clear as that for chopping off the hands but still, and this is something to remember, there is a credible basis in the Koran for such an interpretation. It is not something that's created out of thin air. There is at least some basis for such interpretations, if not more or a lot.
And in the case of "Islam was under attack" or 'Defensive' jihad argument, it seems quite clear that not all of Muhammad's wars could possibly have been defensive. Did he really need to conquer the Arabian peninsula? And why did his immediate successors, who must have known first hand what Muhammad meant about jihad, invade the lands of Christians and Pagans - something which continued throughout history and only stopping when Muslims were weak?
Also try to see if there might be any link between children being taught such violent materials and the violence inflicted on the foreign maids in Saudi Arabia, such as the recent case of Kikim and Sumiati that was posted here only hours ago.
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Some of these texts used during part-time weekend schools4 when Muslim children are taught Saudi national curriculum2 teaches that
some Jews were transformed into pigs and apes5The schools are part of the "Saudi Students Clubs and Schools in the UK and Ireland" organization1 but the Saudi government denies endorsing or having ties to it.2
the "main goal" of the Jews is to "have control over the world and its resources."1
asks children to list the "reprehensible" qualities of Jewish people2
describes the punishment for gay sex as death and states a difference of opinion about whether it should be carried out by stoning, burning with fire or throwing the person over a cliff.2
advises: "For thieves their hands will be cut off for a first offence, and their foot for a subsequent offence."1
The specified punishment of the thief is cutting off his right hand at the wrist.1
including detailed diagrams about how hands and feet of thieves are amputated.2
The director of the clubs and schools network however said that it was under the control the Saudi Cultural Bureau, which is part of the Saudi embassy.2
Asked by the BBC about the findings of the Panorama program contained in a documentary titled “British Schools Muslim Rules,”4 the Saudi embassy said
such materials were often taken out of context and often referred to historical descriptions.2Three years ago, the BBC also found extremist text books that refers to Christians and Jews in derogatory terms at a West London school funded by the Saudis. That discovery led to a Saudi promise then to remove those books.2
Dr Usama Hasan, an Islamic scholar and part-time imam in east London, warned that lack of interaction between and non-Muslims means “ingredients of the western world” are not learnt by young Muslims2
“so it's very easy for them to read the medieval texts which were written at a time when Islam was under attack and say non-believers are our enemies and we have to fight them."2
Sources: 1. AFP, 2. BBC, 3. Mirror 4. The Guardian, 5. The Jerusalem Post
Comment: Note the “out of context” argument from the Saudi embassy, and “Islam was under attack” argument from Hasan.
The case for amputations seems fairly clear as stated in the Koran 5:38, "As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. ... Allah is Mighty, Wise." Hard to see how it could possibly be "out of context."
As for Jews being turned into pigs and apes, it seems to be based on the Koran 5:59-60
5:59 Say: "O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?"
5:60 Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"
The verses here are do not appear as clear as that for chopping off the hands but still, and this is something to remember, there is a credible basis in the Koran for such an interpretation. It is not something that's created out of thin air. There is at least some basis for such interpretations, if not more or a lot.
And in the case of "Islam was under attack" or 'Defensive' jihad argument, it seems quite clear that not all of Muhammad's wars could possibly have been defensive. Did he really need to conquer the Arabian peninsula? And why did his immediate successors, who must have known first hand what Muhammad meant about jihad, invade the lands of Christians and Pagans - something which continued throughout history and only stopping when Muslims were weak?
Also try to see if there might be any link between children being taught such violent materials and the violence inflicted on the foreign maids in Saudi Arabia, such as the recent case of Kikim and Sumiati that was posted here only hours ago.
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Sunday, November 21, 2010
UK to lessen some anti-terror laws, reviewing others
UK is set to reduce pre-charge detention of terror suspects from 28 days to 14.
Ed Balls, the Labour party's shadow secretary, said they got the balance on civil liberties wrong when they were in power by trying to increase the length of detention to 90 and then 42 days. He said they suffered damage to their reputation as a result.
But he added that "it was really hard. We had these massive terror threats, we had the plots" and they "acted and got the resources in and updated our legislation."
Control orders introduced in 2005 that place terror suspects under close supervision are also under review over complaints that it was too harsh.
Source: BBC
Comment: Some people still have not woken up the new reality of Islamic terror. This is an age of Terror. Laws and measures should be there before they are needed and not made as a knee-jerk reaction in the aftermath of some terrorist atrocity.
Concerns about civil liberties could be addressed by clearly restricting these forceful measures to the fight against terrorism and not used in other areas. This way the rest of the population unconnected to terror can remain untouched by them.
As Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said, terrorists "offers no quarter, obeys no law and holds nothing sacred." They kill and main innocent civilians deliberately, and yet some people are more concerned about their 'rights' than the life of their victims.
There is also a need to watch out for terrorists and their supporters pretending to be 'Human-yeah-Right' activists to infiltrate the system and work from the inside, as it was in the case of Arab-Israeli human rights activist Amir Makhoul who has pleaded guilty to spying for enemy of Israel.
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Ed Balls, the Labour party's shadow secretary, said they got the balance on civil liberties wrong when they were in power by trying to increase the length of detention to 90 and then 42 days. He said they suffered damage to their reputation as a result.
But he added that "it was really hard. We had these massive terror threats, we had the plots" and they "acted and got the resources in and updated our legislation."
Control orders introduced in 2005 that place terror suspects under close supervision are also under review over complaints that it was too harsh.
Source: BBC
Comment: Some people still have not woken up the new reality of Islamic terror. This is an age of Terror. Laws and measures should be there before they are needed and not made as a knee-jerk reaction in the aftermath of some terrorist atrocity.
Concerns about civil liberties could be addressed by clearly restricting these forceful measures to the fight against terrorism and not used in other areas. This way the rest of the population unconnected to terror can remain untouched by them.
As Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said, terrorists "offers no quarter, obeys no law and holds nothing sacred." They kill and main innocent civilians deliberately, and yet some people are more concerned about their 'rights' than the life of their victims.
There is also a need to watch out for terrorists and their supporters pretending to be 'Human-yeah-Right' activists to infiltrate the system and work from the inside, as it was in the case of Arab-Israeli human rights activist Amir Makhoul who has pleaded guilty to spying for enemy of Israel.
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ISLAMIC TERROR 101: A case study in race-card, victim-card, blaming victims & isolated explanations, using UK 'anti-terror' police John Larkin
Detective Superintendent John Larkin of the West Midlands counter-terrorism unit told BBC Radio 5 Live that2
They have carried out numerous anti-extremism demonstrations, some of which have
He explained that,
Sources: 1. BBC, 2. Daily Mail (U.K.), 3. International Business Times 4. The Guradian (U.K.)
Analysis: Larkin engaged in the now well know 'blame game' and used 'race card' - "this is the way white Western society sees us" - and 'victim card' - "violence or damage towards Muslim property" - as an excuse for terrorism. He also made a 'blame the victim' argument by blaming victims of terrorism speaking out in protest and calling for action as causing terrorism.
Non-Muslim White Britain can not however use the exact same reasoning and use the race card - 'this is the way Muslim Arabs, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Indians sees us' - or - victim card -'brutal and sadistic terrorism against civilians, including women and children' to justify even mere protests.
This shows that Muslims can be angry and aggrieved for even minor issues, but non-Muslim victims can not feel the same way for deadly major issues like the murder of civilians by terrorists. It is a typical double standard that privileges Islamic supremacists and deny non-Muslims the same rights.
It is good to see that Robinson seems to have recognized the 'isolation' or limited 'context' strategy that tries to portray each cases of terror on it's own and isolated in a narrow limited micro-context, like the protests. He made an excellent counter reply by showing the 1,400 year long trend of Islam in the macro-context.
The problem of Islamic terrorisms is not isolated or related to this or that particular issue. Instead, it is part of a bigger picture. Out-of-context and localized explanations fail to consider this fact.
As it had been argued before in a previous article here, such explanations can be challenged at the micro level. But they can also be challenged by showing macro-level trend where there will be violence and conflict but for different reasons.
Race and the West can be eliminated to show that terrorism exists even then. The clashes in Nigeria have nothing to do with race as both the Christians and Muslims there are Blacks. The persecution of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan or Indonesia by Muslims have nothing to do with the White race or the West. It is also the same for Muslim on Muslim violence all over the world as well.
In the 'victim-card' case, Christians victims in those countries mentioned before are suffering from daily violence, discrimination or terrorism from Muslims. Yet they do not become radicalized or extreme and join terror groups – since there are none to join.
This shows the fallacy of the 'race card' and the 'victim card' explanations.
Take away race and you will still see Muslims fighting other Muslims or non-Muslims of the same race. Look at non-Muslims victims of Muslim persecution and you won't see them using it as an excuse for terrorism like the Muslims do.
This quote by Walter Rodgers from a previous article posted here illustrates the point clearly.
Even if EDL and their opposition are the same as he claims, the Islamic extremists started it all and caused the formation of EDL. He confuses cause with effect. The effect will disappear once the cause of it is eliminated.
If there was no Islamic extremism, there would be no EDL. But if there was no EDL, there would still be Islamic extremism. It was already there before the formation of EDL and it exists in other places where there is no EDL.
Finally, if Larkin is concerned about violence at demonstrations, he should also focus his attention on the left wing pro-Islamic extremists who contribute to it. And of course even if the protests were entirely peaceful, there would still be Islamic extremism as he well knows.
Larkin may modify his argument and say that EDL and other anti-Islamic extremists do not cause extremism but make the situation worse.
But even then, free speech and the right to protest should not be sacrificed to appease extremists. Instead, Muslims should learn and accept that in a free and open society, people have the right to challenge and criticize them. There is no place for Sharia blasphemy death penalty laws or hypersensitivity that gets offended by everything and quickly turns to terrorism.
PS: There is no need to agree with EDL's actions for the arguments made here to be valid. Even if EDL was wrong, the arguments here against excuses for terrorism would still hold.
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In some areas, we have evidence that once they have gone and the high-profile policing of the event has occurred, there's fertile ground for those groups who would come in to encourage people to have this reality - this is the way white Western society sees us1He also claimed that [The following is not a direct quote by him but only as reported in the Daily Mail]
And that's a potential recruiting carrot for people and that's what some of these radicalisers look for - they look for the vulnerability, for the hook to pull people through and when the EDL have been and done what they've done, they perversely leave that behind.1
there is evidence that violence or damage towards Muslim property associated with the protests encourages extremist retaliation afterwards2The English Defence League (EDL) was formed last year after Islamists protested against British soldiers returning from tour of duty, calling them “murderers” and “rapists.”3
They have carried out numerous anti-extremism demonstrations, some of which have
often turned violent with clashes breaking out not so much between the EDL and Islamists, but with the left-wing group Unite Against Fascism (of which Prime Minister David Cameron is a supporter).3Nick Lowles, from the anti-racist group Searchlight told the Guardian that
"For the [Muslims Against Crusades] the presence and activities of the EDL prove how white British society is the enemy. For the EDL the Islamist extremists are proof of the violent nature of Islam. They are two sides of the same coin of hate."4In reply to Larkin, EDL leader Tommy Robinson sarcastically said that they could not have been responsible for all of 9-11, 7-7 attacks on London, the 17,000 terror attacks since 9-11 and “1,400 years of history, where Islam's been at war with non-Islam.”1,3
He explained that,
The root cause of the problem is the Koran, it's Islam and no one has got the balls to admit it and say it and talk about it. We will.3
The problem is when someone takes a 7th century book and tries to implement it in its barbaric way.3 [Emphasis and hyperlinks added]
Sources: 1. BBC, 2. Daily Mail (U.K.), 3. International Business Times 4. The Guradian (U.K.)
Analysis: Larkin engaged in the now well know 'blame game' and used 'race card' - "this is the way white Western society sees us" - and 'victim card' - "violence or damage towards Muslim property" - as an excuse for terrorism. He also made a 'blame the victim' argument by blaming victims of terrorism speaking out in protest and calling for action as causing terrorism.
Non-Muslim White Britain can not however use the exact same reasoning and use the race card - 'this is the way Muslim Arabs, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Indians sees us' - or - victim card -'brutal and sadistic terrorism against civilians, including women and children' to justify even mere protests.
This shows that Muslims can be angry and aggrieved for even minor issues, but non-Muslim victims can not feel the same way for deadly major issues like the murder of civilians by terrorists. It is a typical double standard that privileges Islamic supremacists and deny non-Muslims the same rights.
It is good to see that Robinson seems to have recognized the 'isolation' or limited 'context' strategy that tries to portray each cases of terror on it's own and isolated in a narrow limited micro-context, like the protests. He made an excellent counter reply by showing the 1,400 year long trend of Islam in the macro-context.
The problem of Islamic terrorisms is not isolated or related to this or that particular issue. Instead, it is part of a bigger picture. Out-of-context and localized explanations fail to consider this fact.
As it had been argued before in a previous article here, such explanations can be challenged at the micro level. But they can also be challenged by showing macro-level trend where there will be violence and conflict but for different reasons.
Race and the West can be eliminated to show that terrorism exists even then. The clashes in Nigeria have nothing to do with race as both the Christians and Muslims there are Blacks. The persecution of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan or Indonesia by Muslims have nothing to do with the White race or the West. It is also the same for Muslim on Muslim violence all over the world as well.
In the 'victim-card' case, Christians victims in those countries mentioned before are suffering from daily violence, discrimination or terrorism from Muslims. Yet they do not become radicalized or extreme and join terror groups – since there are none to join.
This shows the fallacy of the 'race card' and the 'victim card' explanations.
Take away race and you will still see Muslims fighting other Muslims or non-Muslims of the same race. Look at non-Muslims victims of Muslim persecution and you won't see them using it as an excuse for terrorism like the Muslims do.
This quote by Walter Rodgers from a previous article posted here illustrates the point clearly.
Bernard Lewis, the renowned Princeton scholar of Islam, has called attention to the Arab tendency to play “the blame game.”[Emphasis added]As for Lowles, he made the tired old 'moral equivalence' argument that equates the victim with the perpetrator. It is an improvement on 'blame-the-victim' argument from Larkin but is still false.
He notes Arabs traditionally blamed the Mongols, the Ottoman Turks, the colonial powers, and now the Jews and the Americans for everything that has gone awry
Even if EDL and their opposition are the same as he claims, the Islamic extremists started it all and caused the formation of EDL. He confuses cause with effect. The effect will disappear once the cause of it is eliminated.
If there was no Islamic extremism, there would be no EDL. But if there was no EDL, there would still be Islamic extremism. It was already there before the formation of EDL and it exists in other places where there is no EDL.
Finally, if Larkin is concerned about violence at demonstrations, he should also focus his attention on the left wing pro-Islamic extremists who contribute to it. And of course even if the protests were entirely peaceful, there would still be Islamic extremism as he well knows.
Larkin may modify his argument and say that EDL and other anti-Islamic extremists do not cause extremism but make the situation worse.
But even then, free speech and the right to protest should not be sacrificed to appease extremists. Instead, Muslims should learn and accept that in a free and open society, people have the right to challenge and criticize them. There is no place for Sharia blasphemy death penalty laws or hypersensitivity that gets offended by everything and quickly turns to terrorism.
PS: There is no need to agree with EDL's actions for the arguments made here to be valid. Even if EDL was wrong, the arguments here against excuses for terrorism would still hold.
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(Bad) Muslim psychology: The blame game
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