Genocide accused Sundanese president Bashir says Islamic sharia punishment of cruelly whipping women like dogs in public is fine, vows stricter sharia if the South secedes

From the BBC

"If south Sudan secedes, we will change the constitution," Mr Bashir told a gathering of his supporters in the eastern town of Gederef on Sunday.

"Sharia and Islam will be the main source for the constitution, Islam the official religion and Arabic the official language," the president added.

Separately, Mr Bashir also commented on a recent high-profile case in which a video posted on the internet showed a woman being flogged [See this story: Video of woman cruelly flogged with long whips in public by Sudanese police being investigated for 'improperly' carrying out Islamic sharia punishment] by police in the north.

"If she is lashed according to Sharia law, there is no investigation. Why are some people ashamed? This is Sharia," the president said.


Source: BBC


Comments: Politically correct deniers of Islamic extremism and all those allegedly 'moderate' Muslims should talk to Bashir and have a discussion with him about Islam.

Is whipping a woman like a dog in public, while she cries and screams in agony, TRUE Islam or not?

Also ask him if Genocide and mass rape haram or allowed in Islamic sharia law.

It is not non-Muslims who 'misunderstand' Islam and think that Islam is violent.

It is many Muslims themselves, not some fringe minority but even leaders of nations, like Bashir here, who say such violence represent true Islam.

Where are all the Christian hating feminists? Why don't they moan about this?

And where are all the fake 'human rights' and 'multiculturalism' supporters now? Too busy hating the West and Christians to say anything about far worst problems in Islam obviously.


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Spurious legal challenges & small scale attacks before Souther Sudan Independence referendum in January – Brief Sudan history included [At least 2 million non-Muslims (Christians and animists) died during war with Muslim north]

Anis Saputra, 24, and Kiki Hanafilia, 17, both married, caned under Islamic sharia law for kissing each other in Aceh province, Indonesia [Not whipping but caning here]

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Palestinian Jordanians and native Bedouins clash at soccer match in Jordan – Palestinian loyalty questioned but they say they face Glass-ceiling

Wehdat [Palestinian] beat Faisali [Jordanian Bedouin tribes] 1-0 in a crucial game at Amman stadium and fans clashed afterwards 'injuring 250 people [mostly from a fence collapse] in violence that pointed to the deep divisions between the nation's native Bedouin clans and its Palestinians.'

There are an estimated 1.8 million Palestinians in Jordan and they 'complain that they are barred from taking up security and army posts or holding other top positions in the Jordanian government.'

'Native Jordanians feel the Palestinian refugees have no allegiance to the country.'

'In a match last year between the same teams, Faisali fans chanted slogans deriding the Palestinian origin of King Abdullah II's wife, Queen Rania, and their son Crown Prince Hussein'.


Source: AP


Comments: Loyalty of Muslims questioned by other Muslims so can't blame it on 'racism' or 'Islamophobia' here.

This from a previous article might have something to with it.

Arab peoples tend to place too much trust in “institutions rooted in primordial loyalties, notably kinship, clanism and religion.” [United Nations Arab Human Development Report, 2009]

These are complex issues that needs to be discussed openly but the debate is always shut down by automatically calling it 'racism', 'xenophobia', 'Islamophobia', 'insensitive' and all sorts of other simplistic labels.

For a bit of past history, in 1970 during 'Black September' in Jordan, there were armed clashes between Palestinians and Jordanians.


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Genocide in Darfur continuing with “silent” rape and fear says UN prosecutor Ocampo – 300,000 dead and 2.7 million displaced in seven years

From the UN News Centre (1)

International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo told the U.N. Security Council

Genocide is still continuing in Darfur and Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, already indicted by the International Criminal Court (ICC), is undertaking “enormous efforts” to cover up the crimes and manipulate the world community

in just the last six months, hundreds of civilians in the Darfur region were killed and hundreds of thousands forcibly displaced, while more than 2 million people suffer a subtle form of genocide – genocide by rape and fear.

“President al-Bashir, in accordance with the chamber’s findings, issued the criminal orders to attack civilians and destroy their communities. Logically, President al-Bashir does not want to investigate those who are following his orders. President al-Bashir is using his promises of justice to manipulate the international community and cover up the crimes.”

The ICC in July issued a second arrest warrant for Mr. al-Bashir, adding genocide to the list of charges for crimes he has allegedly committed in war-ravaged Darfur. In March 2009, he became the first sitting head of State to be indicted by the Court, which charged him with two counts of war crimes and five counts of crimes against humanity.

Speaking to reporters following his briefing to the Council, Mr. Moreno-Ocampo called rape and fear the “silent weapons” of genocide that slip below the radar of peacekeeping forces in the region, which has been plagued by atrocities since war erupted in 2003 between the Government, supported by the Janjaweed militia, and rebels seeking greater autonomy.

From Reuters

Western powers have raised new concerns in recent months about the Darfur conflict where the UN says at least 300,000 people have died since rebel groups took up arms against Bashir's Arab-dominated government in 2003.

"The situation in Darfur is not just a humanitarian crisis, it is a systematic attack against the civilian population. The situation in Darfur is a genocide, it is an ongoing genocide," Ocampo said.

From the UN News Centre (2)

At least 300,000 people have been killed and 2.7 million driven from their homes as a result of the fighting that has ravaged Darfur over the past seven years.

Source: UN News Centre (1,2), Reuters


Comments: They are real good at stacking up huge number of kills.

Atheist soviet communist uncle Joe [Joseph Stalin], who said

One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

and who himself stacked up around 20 million, would be impressed.

The conflict in Darfur, although not mentioned in either the UN or Reuters reports, is between Muslims, unlike the conflict in southern Sudan, that killed at least 2 million, which is between Christian and Animist Black south, and Muslim Arab north.

But there arguably might be some element of race involved in Darfur as well with mainly Blacks from Darfur fighting the Arab government due to neglect and bad governance, although this division is not completely true.

And as usual bleeding hearts for the hypersensitive ego and feelings of Islamic extremists, terrorists and people who don't want to admit the truth, won't worry about this too much.

They are too busy looking for even better ways to massage those egos, by censoring facts and criticism by labeling them 'hate' 'Islamophobic' and all sorts of 'hate-labels' to demonize them without giving any rational arguments, that they overlook even staggering number of deaths, while demonizing even minor flaws and mistakes on the part of those who criticize and point out the truth.

A quote to describe them would be

One [Muslim] death [at the hands of non-Muslims or TRUE moderate Muslims] is a tragedy; one million [non-Muslim deaths or Muslim deaths at the hands of other Muslims] is a statistic.

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Spurious legal challenges & small scale attacks before Souther Sudan Independence referendum in January – Brief Sudan history included

From BBC

Tensions are high in the run-up to the vote [next month], with the SPLM [Sudan People's Liberation Movement - the ruling party in the South that has now backed Independence from the Muslim north] accusing the north of several small-scale attacks on the south, while the military in the north has denied the charge.

the man in charge of organising the south's referendum, Mohammed Ibrahim Khalil, warned that opponents of the vote were trying to undermine it, by filing spurious legal challenges.

"The whole idea is to create confusion and give the idea that something serious is going wrong," he said.

From Rochester Post-Bulletin

The referendum in south Sudan, and a simultaneous vote in the oil-rich Abyei region to decide if the area will go to the north or south, are part of a 2005 peace agreement which ended a civil war that killed about 2.4 million people since 1983.

From Reuters (1)

Southerners won the right to choose whether to separate from the north and form a new east African nation in a 2005 peace deal that ended a civil war that killed at least 2 million people. Most analysts expect a majority to vote to secede.

From UPI

Many fear it could also trigger a new conflict between the north, dominated by Arab Muslims, and the south, which is overwhelmingly Christian and animist.

The historic referendum, scheduled for Jan. 9, is part of a 2005 peace agreement that ended two decades of civil war in which an estimated 2 million people died, largely from famine and disease stemming from the bloodletting.

From Reuters (2)

Sudan's north-south civil war was Africa's longest running civil conflict, flaring first in 1955.

Many southerners believe they are ethnically or religiously distinct from the mostly Arab and Muslim north and an antagonistic history of war and slave trading has haunted north- south relations since before independence.

Sudan is also the axis of the continent's Arab north-African and black sub-Saharan divide. Many will see a split as a wider failure to overcome those differences.

Source: BBC, Reuters (1,2), Rochester Post-Bulletin (Minnesota, US), UPI 


Comments: Race (Black south vs Arab north), ethnicity and religions (Christians and Animists vs Muslims) are involved here.

This shows that the general trouble is with Muslims and isn't related solely to any particular issue like race or religion.

Deniers typically try to frame problems in terms of Christians ('crusaders', 'imperialists') versus Muslims, but this case here provides evidence against such spurious arguments since Animists are also against the Muslim north.

And there is also the case of Muslim-on-Muslim genocide in Sudan's Darfur region as well.

Deniers also try to portray conflicts with Muslims in terms of race and racism, with 'racist White Christians' attacking non-Whites. But again, the evidence here is against such claims with Muslims being non-Whites (and involved in slavery) and Blacks being non-Muslims.

The appalling death toll of at least 2 million also shows yet again the brutality of conflicts involving Muslims. Bleeding hearts for Islamists are always outraged by a small number of deaths (compared to two million) deaths resulting from anti-terror operations and exaggerates its seriousness and toll but Millions of non-Muslim deaths, like here, are forgotten.

This also shows that such appalling incidents aren't something new, recent or post-September 11 attacks in the US. Things like these have been going on prior to 9-11 and stretch right back 1,400 year to Muhammad.

Everyone should learn from the example of East Timor and also Muslim Bengladesh, where Muslims carried out a deadly but unsuccessful campaign of terror in order to stop independence from Indonesia and Pakistan. There is a well established trend here.


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Iranian Nazi site IranNazi.Ir unblocked by Iran’s Ministry of Culture and Islamic guidance after a brief ban

 The 'pro-Nazi and anti-Jewish website'¹ calling itself “Historical Research Society for World War Two and the Third Reich”²  explained the temporary block saying that

"And because Jews have always used their power and influence for their advantage, we were not an exception (to this) and only after 17 days we became the target of these creatures and we faced this problem because of Jews' personal complaints."²

 Reuters said that in Iran the government has 'strict controls on the Internet blocking many sites deemed undesirable.'²

 Al-Arabia also said that

While it blocks around five million political, cultural, religious, and “indecent” websites, the Iranian Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance permitted the operation of a website called irannazi.ir¹

 This has lead to objections from both 'pro-government website Tabnak and the pro-reformist Rooz Online.'¹

 According to Reuters, the site does not appear to be linked to the Iranian state,² but Rooz Online has accused deputy minister of Culture and Islamic Guidance Muhammad Ali Ramin of being behind lifting of the ban.¹

 Ramin is a known supporter of Nazi ideas and had neo-Nazi connections when he lived in Europe. Iranian journalist Mohammad Reza Yazdanpanah argues that he is a major force behind President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's holocaust denial.¹

 Arab-Iranian activist Kawthar Ali warned that 'Nazi principles and the prevalence of anti-Semitic trends in Iran' endanger not only the Jews but other minorities such as the Arabs who also are Semites.¹

 Al Arabya reports, 

Ali pointed out that the Iranian government uses such extremist trends to serve its interests and to propagate nationalist ideologies that assert the superiority of Persians.¹

Ali cited the example of communists who originally called for social justice but are now adopting extremist nationalist ideas.¹

“For example Heshmat Raeisi, one of the most prominent labor movement leaders, is now advocating Persian nationalism in a country that houses a variety of ethnicities.”¹

Sources: 1. Al Arabiya, 2. Reuters


Comment: Note the racism of some Persian supremacists against Jews (Arabs and who else?), the neo-Nazi link to Iran and 'social justice' Communists turning into extreme nationalists.

 See if there is a link or similarities between the racism here and the recent story of Arab Saudi school textbooks in the UK asking students to list the “reprehensible” qualities of the Jews and teaching them that they want to gain resources and control the world, while reminding that some of them were turned into pigs and apes.

 See if there is a link or similarities between 'social justice' (victim-card) Communists turning into extreme (racist?) nationalists here and Iran's left-wing allies like Bolivian President Evo Morales and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

 Although it is not discussed here, watch out for Arab nationalism and racism too.

 The website itself is not a problem. It and the other around five million websites should not be banned. This is not to condone racism, but everyone should be free to question anything they like, be it Islam, race or the Holocaust. There is no place for blasphemy laws, both religious (Asia Bibi death sentence and the possible life sentence for Walid Husayin) and non-religious PC censorship (Charges against Geert Wilders), and 'cyber-stalking' thought police.


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Deadly dysfunctional Muslim culture, past, present, future, and why democracy and modernization fail

 Walter Rodgers, a former senior international correspondent for CNN, argues the failure of Arabs was due to their rigid cultural mindset based on "primordial loyalties" to kin, clan and religion, and self-assertion with rhetoric while blaming others for every problem with rage. He wrote,

An Arab journalist friend explained, “Arabs are always angry. They always look for the bad and then harp on it.”

mental rigidity on the Arab street

Arab peoples tend to place too much trust in “institutions rooted in primordial loyalties, notably kinship, clanism and religion.” [United Nations Arab Human Development Report, 2009] 

Bernard Lewis, the renowned Princeton scholar of Islam, has called attention to the Arab tendency to play “the blame game.”

He notes Arabs traditionally blamed the Mongols, the Ottoman Turks, the colonial powers, and now the Jews and the Americans for everything that has gone awry 

Arabs indulge in rage and rhetoric

a cultural mind-set that helps explain why the US effort to democratize, reshape, and modernize the Arab Middle East by occupying and nation-building in Iraq faltered miserably.

cultural schizophrenia he [Jordanian journalist Rami Khouri] described as “a strange combination of self-assertion and reliance on foreign actors.”

Arabs are their own worst enemy – and that until this changes, little else will change.

 Although Rodgers was analyzing the Arabs in his article, the problems discussed can be found among Muslims in general, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Source: The Christian Science Monitor

Related story: (Bad) Muslim psychology: The blame game 

Germany to punish forced marriages, common among Muslims, with 5 years jail

The German government is to make forced marriages, especially common among Turkish and Arab Muslims,¹ a crime punishable by up to five years in prison. Currently it is treated as a form of coercion.² Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said culture should not be used to excuse something which is wrong.² Once parliament approves the proposal, it will become law.

Source: 1. The Canadian Press, 2. Reuters